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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You wrote,
Quote:
Zimmy was exonerated & vindicated.


It's obvious that you have exonerated your brain from being an ethical human being to support this mental case called Zimmerman who not only shot a killed a young minor, but have had run-ins with the police and copy right laws.

You're an idiot.
I 'm just brushing u off like a loud dog, imposter.
Your posts have no merit. U r not worth reading.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:27 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Glitterbag said: If I can find that wannabe tough guy, I'll pay the freight to have him shipped over and move him right next store to Romeo. You guys will have a blast

Well, although Zim shot a black hoodie, i'm still wondering if he'd be tough enough to string with me because I go out COMPLETELY UNARMED apart from a plastic pop bottle, how kool is that..Smile
There is nothing cool
about being un-armed; not bright.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:31 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Don't forget I'm in England where guns are near-extinct, and to even say the word "gun" means you'll be instantly arrested.
Oops I gotta go, somebody's hammering on my door and the street's full of police flashing lights..
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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and copy right laws.


Poor CI copyrights laws are not simple and it very well could be that good old George is in the right over the matter not the AP at least in the opinion of law professor Rod Sullivan,



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http://members.jacksonville.com/opinion/premium-opinion/2014-01-28/story/lead-letter-attorney-analyzes-zimmermans-artistic-rights

A number of people have wondered whether the painting infringes on AP’s copyright because Zimmerman is making commercial use of a copyrighted photograph. The answer is, it depends.

The Constitution grants the federal government the right to issue copyrights. However, there are exceptions to copyright protection, one of which is the “Fair Use” exception.

Fair use permits someone to incorporate a copyrighted work into a new work if the new work is transformative rather than merely derivative.

Whether Zimmerman’s painting is transformative depends on a number of factors.

Those factors include whether the painting includes substantial new content, whether the original photo depicts freely available information and whether the painting causes the photograph to become less valuable.

In this case AP’s photograph was taken at a news conference during which Corey was announcing her decision to charge Zimmerman with murder.

The image captures Corey’s confidence and aggressive attitude in the tilt of her head, the exposure of her neck and the use of a hand gesture.

Zimmerman’s painting substantially changes the image by colorizing it, editing it and adding content by incorporating the caption “I Have This Much Respect for the American Judicial System.” His changes are apparently intended to change the message of the photograph. Arguably his painting is therefore transformative and not merely derivative.

Zimmerman responded to the AP letter by asserting that he intended to sue AP. Many people thought that was mere bravado. It may not be.

SLAPP stands for “Strategic lawsuits against public participation.” Anti-SLAPP statutes are designed to permit someone like Zimmerman to stop a threatened lawsuit that is brought for an improper purpose.

If AP’s purpose in suing Zimmerman is based upon its disapproval of the artist or the content of the message, Zimmerman might succeed.

While Florida’s anti-SLAPP statute wouldn’t apply to Zimmerman’s case, California’s might.

It’s important for the public to understand that copyrights are limited and that lawsuits designed to chill the right of people to speak freely on topics of public importance are disfavored in the law.

Zimmerman might win such a suit if his painting sufficiently transforms the original photograph into a new work of “useful art.”

Rod Sullivan,

associate professor of law, Jacksonville
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BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:40 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
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Re: OmSigDAVID (Post 5575672)
Don't forget I'm in England where to even say the word "gun" means you'll be instantly arrested.
Oops I gotta go, somebody's hammering on my door and the street's full of police flashing lights..


Sad as your nation used to have the best gun smiths in the world bar none.

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MontereyJack
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:41 pm
Romeo asks
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Hey A2K people, let's have a fun poll..-

If the house next door to you was unoccupied, who'd you rather move in, Zim or a black hoodie?


Actually there's a black kid in my apartment building who wears a black hoodie. Good churchgoing family, his older sister is applying to colleges now. Never any problems with his family, fine people to live with. They have never barricaded themselves in their apartment with guns and kicked out the person who actually was the ternant. They've never menaced a previous wife and destroyed her iPhone. never been cited for domestic violence. Would I rather live next to them than Zimmerman? Hell, yes. Would I rather live next to Trayvon's family than Zimmerman? Hell, yes.
BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:44 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Would I rather live next to Trayvon's family than Zimmerman?


I would suggest buying a safe to keep your family Jewelry in if any other members of that family take after Trayvon.

A home alarm system also might be wise to owe and perhaps a GUN in case someone in that family decided to beat you to death if in some manner you happen to annoyed them.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:50 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Don't forget I'm in England where guns are near-extinct, and to even say the word "gun" means you'll be instantly arrested.
Oops I gotta go, somebody's hammering on my door and the street's full of police flashing lights..
Try to turn that around,
re-instating personal freedom. England used to be a free country.
R u politically involved ?
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MontereyJack
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 11:14 pm
thanks for the stupid advice, Bill. Actually I might need a safe to protect stuff from the white kids from the next town over, who always seem to be the ones who commit the odd burglary in my neighborhood. Stupid kids, like the so-called "yellow snow burglar", who was notorious for committing his burglaries in winter-- h;e always pee in the snow first, so he could claim he was just relieving himself and not committing a burglary. It didn't work.
And based on the evidence of five years with them in the building, I'm far more likely to have need of a gun to protect myself from someone like Zimmerman, who in the last five years has committed what half the jury thought was at the least manslaughter, and three gun-involved dangerous incidents. However I live in MA, where it's pretty hard to get a gun, so our odds of having a Zimmerman running amok in our neighborhood are far lower than in Florida.
BillRM
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 05:43 am
@MontereyJack,
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I might need a safe to protect stuff from the white kids from the next town


An what the hell does the color of anyone skin have to do with the matter are you perhaps a racist like the new media that falsely try to label Zimmerman as a white racist in order to made a racial story of an act of self defense?

Here is a picture of this white man mother who was turn away from lunch counters in the south before the civil right movement broke that silliness.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8s8zf4ql3PoxlLe-ugbtmXc5jtOro5eYE6UBj5i6uRI4PEsXt

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However I live in MA, where it's pretty hard to get a gun, so our odds of having a Zimmerman running amok in our neighborhood are far lower than in Florida.


That too bad as then Sharpton will have no chance to come to your town and threaten riots if someone who is not himself as black as a piece of coal does something as wrong as saving his life from an attack by a black teenager with a firearm.

If only Zimmerman would had just allowed himself to be beaten to death the world would had been a better place indeed.



spendius
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 05:49 am
@BillRM,
What's a guy doing on security patrol who a kid could beat to death? In a fight with no weapons I would bet on Zim.
BillRM
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 05:55 am
@spendius,
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What's a guy doing on security patrol who a kid could beat to death? In a fight with no weapons I would bet on Zim.


In a so call fair fight I too would have bet on Zimmerman over Trayvon but not when Zimmerman was knocked down with a sucker punch and then have the "kid" on top of him pounding is head into the sidewalk.

In a similar situation also in Florida a police officer needed to used deadly force against an unarmed attacker and was found justify in doing so just as Zimmerman was not going to be charge until Sharpton came to town and was threatening riots if Zimmerman was not charge.
spendius
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 06:01 am
@BillRM,
How is a security man given a sucker punch by a kid who he is suspicious of?

You're portraying Zim as a nancy Bill. What did the two weigh?
BillRM
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 06:19 am
@spendius,
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. What did the two weigh?


Roughly the same as Trayvon was a grown 17 years old not the smiling 13 years old the news media kept running a picture of.

In the US a 17 years old with the permission of his parents can sign up to be a US Marine.

Next most thieves are not violence or at least are not looking for a conflict with an adult man so Zimmerman was not looking for that level of attack out of the blue.

It does however happen and as I already said it did happen to a police officer not that long before the Trayvon assault.
firefly
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 09:29 am
@BillRM,
Spendius, as usual, BillRM, is trying to disseminate inaccurate information.

Zimmerman and Martin did not weigh "roughly the same"--it wasn't even close.

According to the Sanford Police Department Offense Report for February 26, 2012, the night of the shooting, Zimmerman's height was shown as 5 foot 8 and his weight was 200 lbs.

According to the autopsy report, Trayvon Martin was 5 foot 11 and weighed 158 lbs.

So Zimmerman outweighed Martin by over 40 lbs.

So much for BillRM's credibility regarding facts. Rolling Eyes.

In addition, Zimmerman had taken boxing lessons at a gym for over a year--he had training in fighting.

The physical advantage would have favored Zimmerman.

Zimmerman also had a prior history of aggressive behaviors toward others, and had been court-ordered to take anger management after a prior incident. Trayvon Martin had no history, at all, of any aggressive acts toward others, or of any problems controlling aggression. There is nothing that suggests Martin was a "thug" or "hoodlum" of any sort--he was a middle class high school student, from a good family, with plans for college in his future, and not some ghetto street kid. These are character assassination tactics leveled at Martin, tinged with heavy doses of negative racial stereotyping, which initially originated on right-wing Web sites, and were promoted for the deliberate purpose of destroying sympathy for the victim in this situation in order to make Zimmerman's actions seem more justified. And it played no part in the trial or any evidence presented to the jury, but, as is clearly evident, the Zimmerman supporters in this thread continue to present and repeat this crap about Martin as though it were factual.

Zimmerman's very minor injuries after the shooting did not support any "beating" or "head pounding" by Martin, and none of Zimmerman's DNA was found on Martin's hands. Zimmerman required no medical treatment, not even a Band-Aid, for his extremely minor injuries the night of the shooting. That was one reason the police investigator did not believe Zimmerman's account the night of the shooting and he wanted him arrested and charged with manslaughter.

The jury made no determination that Martin had "attacked" Zimmerman as opposed to Martin acting in his own self-defense. How the final altercation/struggle actually started is not known, apart from Zimmerman's questionable version of events, and Zimmerman did not testify at his trial. But there was no evidence to support a "sucker punch" or an "attack"--BillRM is simply regurgitating what Zimmerman told the police. Martin, who had been pursued in the dark by this stranger, who never identified himself or his motives, may well have been acting/reacting in his own self-defense to direct provocation by Zimmerman.

The jury found Zimmerman Not Guilty of murder. They didn't find Trayvon Martin guilty of anything, including "attacking" Zimmerman--Martin wasn't the one on trial, and no one witnessed how the confrontation/struggle came about. The verdict pertained only to whether Zimmerman shot Martin because he wanted to, or because he felt he had to in order to protect himself from grave harm, and Zimmerman was given the benefit of the doubt regarding self-defense, in accord with Florida law. That doesn't mean Zimmerman wasn't responsible for creating the events that led to the shooting, it means simply that the jury gave him the benefit of the doubt about why he pulled the trigger.

The verdict does not completely absolve Zimmerman of all moral responsibility for this death. The police investigation concluded that this was an avoidable and needless death, had Zimmerman simply remained in his vehicle after his phone call to the police, instead of pursuing Martin as he did, and that he further failed to defuse the situation he created by never identifying himself to Martin.

And Zimmerman has continued to menace and threaten others since his acquittal, and he assaulted his father-in-law during one of these domestic violence incidents.

There is a reason this killing, and the verdict in this case, was so controversial, but you'd never know that from the clearly skewed, distorted, and often inaccurate, one-sided narrative offered by BillRM, and the other Zimmerman cheerleaders in this thread, comments which also often reek of racism.

It's absolutely sickening that these people should be rejoicing at the needless and avoidable death of an innocent unarmed black minor, who was simply walking home from the store and talking on his cell phone when Zimmerman decided he looked "suspicious" and pursued him because "these f--king punks always get away". It was Zimmerman's inaccurate perception, and his own inability to control his reckless impulses, that led to a tragic death, something for which he deserves no praise. Whether or not one feels he acted in justifiable self-defense when he fired his gun, his impulsive and ill-considered vigilante actions were what created the conditions for this avoidable confrontation and tragedy, and, no matter how much his supporters try to smear his victim, that teen did not deserve to be hunted down and killed by an emotionally unstable wannabe cop.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 10:20 am
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Firefly said: There is nothing that suggests Martin was a "thug" or "hoodlum" of any sort..

Apart from punching a white man to the floor then jumping on him and cracking his head into the cement..Wink
BillRM
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 10:22 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
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Apart from punching a white man to the floor then jumping on him and cracking his head into the cement.


LOL other then that Zimmerman is a white man I agree with you.
MontereyJack
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 10:28 am
re Romeo, assuming you take the unsupported word of a known liar who has just commited an unprovoked act of manslaughter for a violent confrontation which he initiated against an unarmed kid minding his own business until he was confronted with a menacing stranger who put himi in imminent fear of his own life, aat which point the kid was perfectly legally entitled to defend himself, as the physical evidence and phone evidence shows. Your version of reality is on extremely shaky grounds, romeo.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 10:29 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
Firefly said: There is nothing that suggests Martin was a "thug" or "hoodlum" of any sort..
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Apart from punching a white man to the floor
then jumping on him and cracking his head into the cement..Wink
No, there was also material on his cell fone,
complaints or lamentations that someone else that he beat
did not bleed sufficiently. How many times was he thrown out of school??

I believe that he intended to brag to his MMA people
about how he beat (to death??) a white, slammed his head
on the cement. Those r thuggish behaviors.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 9 Feb, 2014 10:35 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Apart from punching a white man to the floor
then jumping on him and cracking his head into the cement.
BillRM wrote:
LOL other then that Zimmerman is a white man I agree with you.
He looks white. If I saw him in the street,
it woud not occur to me to deem him non-white.

That is the reason
that Sharpton got on his case
.
We 'd never have heard of any of this,
if Zimmy looked like a black. How many blacks kill
one another daily with very little public attention?????
Sharpton is not interested in that.
 

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