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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sat 28 Dec, 2013 09:07 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
An AK is less accurate than an M-14,
with no telescopic sights involved. Thay were not built to be
sniper 's guns. M-14s can be superbly accurate.

M-16 has the recoil u 'd expect from a Mattel toy
that u give a very young child for Christmas.
( Remember: an M-16 is a .22 caliber rifle. )





David
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 28 Dec, 2013 09:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
An AK is less accurate than an M-14,
with no telescopic sights involved. Thay were not built to be
sniper 's guns. M-14s can be superbly accurate.


Assault/battle rifles are not design to engage someone beyond 300 yards or so as most modem firefights happen at less the 300 yards.

They are design to take a beating and to keep working and tight tolerances is the enemy of a firearm being able to handle mistreatment while on the other hand tight tolerances is needed in a sniper rifle to be accurate.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 28 Dec, 2013 09:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
An AK is less accurate than an M-14,
with no telescopic sights involved. Thay were not built to be
sniper 's guns. M-14s can be superbly accurate.

Yes. The .308 NATO is much better than the AK round. The Soviets greatly reduced the velocity of their AK rounds in a bid to tame full-auto recoil.

Though I still think they made the .308 NATO a bit too strong. The .300 Savage was just about perfect, and when they boosted its power to come up with the .308 NATO, all they did was increase the kick without making the round any more effective.


OmSigDAVID wrote:
M-16 has the recoil u 'd expect from a Mattel toy
that u give a very young child for Christmas.
( Remember: an M-16 is a .22 caliber rifle. )

That's what you need if you want controllable bursts of fire from a common field rifle.

In 1974 the Soviets abandoned their .30 AK round and went to a round even smaller than the one used in the M-16.

Everyone might have been better off just not trying to do burst-fire in a common field rifle. If they'd been satisfied with semi-auto-only, they could have stuck with the .308 NATO.
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 28 Dec, 2013 10:23 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Everyone might have been better off just not trying to do burst-fire in a common field rifle. If they'd been satisfied with semi-auto-only, they could have stuck with the .308 NATO.


Yes to me burst or auto fire is a waste but I would have a man or two in a squad with an updated BAR in case you find you need to put a lot of very heavy fire down range or reach out to someone at a greater range then 300 yards for that matter.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 12:22 am
@oralloy,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
An AK is less accurate than an M-14,
with no telescopic sights involved. Thay were not built to be
sniper 's guns. M-14s can be superbly accurate.

oralloy wrote:
Yes. The .308 NATO is much better than the AK round.
The Soviets greatly reduced the velocity of their AK rounds in a bid to tame full-auto recoil.

Though I still think they made the .308 NATO a bit too strong.
An M-14 is a tricked out .30-06 M-1 Garand.
A lot of guys were happy with the easier recoil.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 12:27 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Everyone might have been better off just not trying to do burst-fire in a common field rifle. If they'd been satisfied with semi-auto-only, they could have stuck with the .308 NATO.


Yes to me burst or auto fire is a waste but I would have a man or two in a squad with an updated BAR in case you find you need to put a lot of very heavy fire down range or reach out to someone at a greater range then 300 yards for that matter.
YES. Well said, Bill.
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raprap
 
  2  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 12:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The 03 bolt action Springfield was used by the US as a sniper rifle until around 1964, about the time when the US was replacing the M-14 with the M-16 as the standard infantry weapon.

BTW in the movie 'Saving Private Ryan' one of the squad was seen carrying a Springfield which would have historically accurate.

Rap

OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 12:41 am
@raprap,
raprap wrote:

The 03 bolt action Springfield was used by the US as a sniper rifle
until around 1964, about the time when the US was replacing the M-14
with the M-16 as the standard infantry weapon.

BTW in the movie 'Saving Private Ryan' one of the squad was seen
carrying a Springfield which would have historically accurate.

Rap
Yes; your post was well informed!
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oralloy
 
  1  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 12:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
An M-14 is a tricked out .30-06 M-1 Garand.
A lot of guys were happy with the easier recoil.

But the recoil should have been easier yet. The .300 Savage can do 100% of what the .308 can do and 99% of what the .30-06 can do.

"If it's not broke, don't fix it."
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 05:36 am
My local paper printed this picture on the front page today, it puts me in mind of Romeo's pictures.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/images/2802116.jpg?type=articleLandscape

Quote:
THEY were indiscriminate in who they targeted but left all their victims feeling scared and vulnerable.

Andrew Wooff and Richard Vincent broke into homes across Southampton in the dead of night while families, couples and in one case an elderly great-grandmother lay sleeping.

The creeper-style burglaries left their victims traumatised, fearful and even afraid to sleep in their own beds months after the break-ins were committed.

Not only did he not care, but Wooff was even happy to pose Rambo-style with weapons he stole during one break-in – revelling in the notoriety of his crimes.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10914047.Posing_with_a_gun___the_Rambo_style_picture_that_trapped_a_creeper_burglar/?ref=rss

It says a lot about the sort of people who post these types of photographs.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 08:22 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
My local paper printed this picture on the front page today, it puts me in mind of Romeo's pictures.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/images/2802116.jpg?type=articleLandscape

Quote:
THEY were indiscriminate in who they targeted but left all their victims feeling scared and vulnerable.

Andrew Wooff and Richard Vincent broke into homes across Southampton in the dead of night while families, couples and in one case an elderly great-grandmother lay sleeping.

The creeper-style burglaries left their victims traumatised, fearful and even afraid to sleep in their own beds months after the break-ins were committed.

Not only did he not care, but Wooff was even happy to pose Rambo-style with weapons he stole during one break-in – revelling in the notoriety of his crimes.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10914047.Posing_with_a_gun___the_Rambo_style_picture_that_trapped_a_creeper_burglar/?ref=rss




It says a lot about the sort of people
who post these types of photographs
.
I will confess to having done it
in Las Vegas with my friend, Don, and his Chinese bride, Min Yen,
from Red China in the 1980s, when I gave them a honeymoon
at The Golden Nugget for a wedding present. ( I had a vacation planned in
Las Vegas already, so I brought them along and gave them a honeymoon suite. )
The bride had told me of a bleak, grueling existence there
in fear of the commies. I thawt that the Las Vegas Strip, lit up at nite,
wud stand in good contrast to Red China. I took them to some
Las Vegas gunnery ranges and I rented the display cases,
i.e., rented every gun in the place, so that I need only pay
for the ammunition. We all posed with revolvers, pistols,
and submachineguns. It was a lot of fun.

We did not conceal our faces for the pictures,
tho the fellow in YOUR picture is a lot better looking than me.





David
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 10:43 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
We all posed with revolvers, pistols,
and submachineguns. It was a lot of fun.


There's the difference, you were on a day out with friends, and did not hide your faces. Your intention wasn't to menace.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 11:17 am
Thank God for public-spirited citizens like George Zimmerman in Neighbourhood Watches and Citizens Patrols who put themselves in harms way to protect us from mobs such as this..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/black-gang2_zps06ff837d.jpg~original
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Romeo Fabulini: vigilante!
Patrolling Plymouth UK seafront

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/POS-swagger2_zps8e311a2c.jpg~original
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:23 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Thank God for public-spirited citizens like George Zimmerman in Neighbourhood Watches
and Citizens Patrols who put themselves in harms way to protect us from mobs such as this..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/black-gang2_zps06ff837d.jpg~original
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WHAT does that hand-signal mean,
with the 2 center fingers drawn inward, as shown above??

Does anyone know ?





David
spendius
 
  2  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:25 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It's to avoid dropping the beer bottle Dave.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:28 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It's to avoid dropping the beer bottle Dave.
I sense an effort at humor,
but no beer is shown. Happy New Year, Spendius.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:31 pm
I think its the sign of the devil; the two fingers represent his horns. Incidentally the kid on the right looks like an Aussie aborigine, we Brits took his country off him so no wonder he's p*ssed..Smile
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:32 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
We all posed with revolvers, pistols,
and submachineguns. It was a lot of fun.

There's the difference, you were on a day out with friends, and did not hide your faces.
Your intention wasn't to menace.
Do u deem it likely
that he was in fear of criminal prosecution by your government, Izzy ?
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:35 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

I think its the sign of the devil; the two fingers represent his horns.
Is it a threat, or a curse ?
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Well he's a criminal, he had every right to fear prosecution, now he's incarcerated.
 

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