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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
raprap
 
  2  
Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:46 pm
Now that you're into the paranoid delusions of a carry permit kind--here's what I carry when I feel overly paranoid.

First there's the coat--A Burbury Trenchcoat that I bought at Goodwill. I got a really good deal and its two sizes too big (I wear a 42--this is at least a 48). I cut the left front pocket out.

Now for the firearm--I consider most pistols to be too limiting when really wanting to control a situation--I have a mossberg pump 12 ga with a pistol stock, a 19 inch barrel and an extended mag (7 with one in the chamber). Being a bit of a leather worker I've made a left handed shoulder sling arrangement that puts the breech just above my hip so I can grab it with my left hand--through the non-existent pocket. The nice thing is that the sling is attached to the coat so the shotgun remains concealed during removal of the coat.

Then there the ammunition--usually I consider it dangerous to chamber a round in a pump shotgun so normally I only load six rounds into the magazine--all my rounds are custom handloads in high top brass---the first two are loaded with crappie hooks and half loads, the second two are crappie hooks and full loads, the final two are 13 dimes with full loads. If I carry a round in the chamber it's usually rock salt in a full load (always give the enemy the opportunity to withdraw--The Art of War).

Its a little bulky to carry when running or riding a bicycle (I usually carry a PPK here), but its really nice outfit for a stroll through the park for ice cream with the kids.

BTW did you know that many states don't consider black powder weapons firearms--just dangerous weapons, like a knife. So your felonious friends might legally be able to heel a ball and cap 44 S&W Army or Remington (the Remington is a better gun).

Rap
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:33 am
@oralloy,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Just out of curiosity, Bill,
in terms of successful STOPPING POWER,
don t u think that the extra mass of a .44 is functionally more effective than .357 ?
oralloy wrote:
The higher velocity of lightweight .357 rounds gives them additional shocking power because the hollowpoint opens up faster and more vigorously.

Although you do need a longer barrel to fully generate that added velocity.

.357s also carry more rounds. You can have five rounds of .44 or seven rounds of .357 in the same size gun.
Do u expect a wider diameter wound channel from a .357 or from a .44 ?
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 01:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Do u expect a wider diameter wound channel from a .357 or from a .44 ?

I'm not sure. The .44 special will start out larger, but it will not expand as well due to the lower velocity.

I'm not sure it would make much difference though even if one did have a wider wound channel. Going from "9mm/.38" to "something more potent" makes a significant difference. But once that step is taken, there isn't a lot of difference in the effectiveness of the various rounds.

Round for round, I'd think the .44 special and the .357 would have about the same effectiveness.

The .44 special would be more compatible with shorter barrels though. Lightweight bullets are at their best when they can gain lots of velocity in longer barrels.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 01:46 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Do u expect a wider diameter wound channel from a .357 or from a .44 ?

I'm not sure. The .44 special will start out larger,
but it will not expand as well due to the lower velocity.
1. Do u believe that slower, heavier .44 slugs
have less probability of overpenetration?

2. In regard to your comment concerning a putatively inferior expansion
of .44 hollowpointed slugs, it was my choice to purchase
a bullet configuration of singularly W - I - D - E cavities in the slug,
to promote expansion. Comment on that strategy ?

3. Presumably, STOPPING POWER will benefit from
a greater hydrostatic shock, occasioned by a wider wound channel. Agree ?





David
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
1. Do u believe that slower, heavier .44 slugs
have less probability of overpenetration?

I don't think it would make much difference. The greater weight will increase penetration, and the slower speed will reduce penetration.

The actual degree of penetration will depend on additional design factors besides just weight and speed.

Any reasonable .44 hollowpoint should perform well. But not necessarily any better or worse than a reasonable .357 hollowpoint.


OmSigDAVID wrote:
2. In regard to your comment concerning a putatively inferior expansion
of .44 hollowpointed slugs, it was my choice to purchase
a bullet configuration of singularly W - I - D - E cavities in the slug,
to promote expansion. Comment on that strategy ?

Whether that would promote expansion would depend on how the bullet was designed.

Assuming you are buying a mainstream fighting bullet from a reputable manufacturer, it should expand as intended.

But another mainstream fighting bullet from a reputable manufacturer, that didn't have a wide cavity, would likely also perform well.

Large hollowpoint cavities in a large caliber revolver do offer increased possibility of warding off an attack without shooting though. If you brandish your gun at someone at close range, they will likely notice the size of the bullets/cavities, which will then inspire in them a desire to avoid being shot with those bullets.


OmSigDAVID wrote:
3. Presumably, STOPPING POWER will benefit from
a greater hydrostatic shock, occasioned by a wider wound channel. Agree ?

Yes. But that is not the only way to increase hydrostatic shock. Having the hollowpoint expand much more explosively because the bullet is going much faster also increases hydrostatic shock.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

All should know by now, they're talking about their penis. They feel very manly when they talk about guns. They love stories of killings with 'big' guns from which they get an erection.


Sounds about right to me, ci! Wink
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:36 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

How did sarge put it, this my weapon, this is my gun, this is for working this is for fun.


Indeed!
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:37 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Speaking of weapon sizes, Frankie Apisa joined the Air Force, but icky little fighters were not for him so he went into the bomber wing to get his hands on monsters like this, what does that tell us about him?..Wink
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/b-47-rato_zpsbb062945.jpg~original


Feel the power of the JATO.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
Hello Frank have you seen your doctor yet to seek treatment for you not being connected to reality?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 09:02 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Hello Frank have you seen your doctor yet to seek treatment for you not being connected to reality?


No.

Have you?
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 09:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
No.

Have you?


I am not the one not accepting black and white facts even when contain in finance journals when they do not support my positions.

It is still amazed me that you are that far out of touch with reality.

You should not be taking the time postings here you need to go at once to find medical help for your condition as soon as possible.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 09:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

All should know by now, they're talking about their penis.
They feel very manly when they talk about guns.
They love stories of killings with 'big' guns from which they get an erection.
The imposter obsesses endlessly about penises.
He is never happier than when he turns the conversation back to penises. He loves ALL kinds of them.
I expect him to insist upon presenting a slide show
upon that subject in the near future. Perhaps he will begin
a homosexual forum in A2K. Time will tell.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes, that's because I'm not ashamed of being a man who will defend myself physically rather than with a pop gun.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  2  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:08 am
Quote:
OmSigDavid said: when I was 8, I began to carry, when I moved to Arizona

Good for you mate-
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."- US Statesman Richard Henry Lee (1732-1794)




Quote:
Cicerone said: We choose where we live carefully; where there is no need to have guns for defensive purposes.

Ah, but when it hits the fan it can get nasty pretty quick no matter where you are-
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/los-angeles-forecast.gif~original



Quote:
Oralloy said: Better to fire continuously until the target drops.

Good for you mate, you can join my PC wargame squad any time you like, you're the sort we want..Smile



Quote:
Raprap said: First there's the coat--A Burbury Trenchcoat that I bought at Goodwill. I got a really good deal and its two sizes too big

Yeah here's me wearing my 'doomsday coat'-
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/586/y3t5.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:14 am
Quote:
Kalashnikov assault rifle designer is dead at 94
Reuters

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Mikhail Kalashnikov, the designer of the assault rifle that has killed more people than any other firearm in the world, died on Monday aged 94, Russian officials said.

Kalashnikov, who was in his 20s when he created the AK-47 just after World War Two, died in his home city of Izhevsk near the Ural Mountains, where his gun is still made, a spokesman for the Udmurtia province's president said on state television.

The spokesman did not give the cause of death. Kalashnikov was fitted with a electric heartbeat stimulator at a Moscow hospital in June and had been in hospital in Izhevsk since November 17, state media reported.

The AK-47, which rarely jams even in adverse conditions, went into service in the Soviet armed forces in 1949. Today, Kalashnikov rifles are still a mainstay of Russia's armed forces and police.

Known as the weapon of choice for guerrillas, the gun and its imitations have been used in conflicts around the world for decades.

At a lavish Kremlin ceremony on Kalashnikov's 90th birthday, then-President Dmitry Medvedev bestowed on him the highest state honor - the Hero of Russia gold star medal - and lauded him for creating "the national brand every Russian is proud of".

Kalashnikov, a son of Siberian peasants who never finished school, said pride in his iconic invention was mixed with the pain of seeing it used by criminals and child soldiers.


For all you gun lovers who will experience a sexual aura from this report.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:15 am
For all you gun lovers who will experience a sexual aura from this report.

Quote:
Kalashnikov assault rifle designer is dead at 94
Reuters

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Mikhail Kalashnikov, the designer of the assault rifle that has killed more people than any other firearm in the world, died on Monday aged 94, Russian officials said.

Kalashnikov, who was in his 20s when he created the AK-47 just after World War Two, died in his home city of Izhevsk near the Ural Mountains, where his gun is still made, a spokesman for the Udmurtia province's president said on state television.

The spokesman did not give the cause of death. Kalashnikov was fitted with a electric heartbeat stimulator at a Moscow hospital in June and had been in hospital in Izhevsk since November 17, state media reported.

The AK-47, which rarely jams even in adverse conditions, went into service in the Soviet armed forces in 1949. Today, Kalashnikov rifles are still a mainstay of Russia's armed forces and police.

Known as the weapon of choice for guerrillas, the gun and its imitations have been used in conflicts around the world for decades.

At a lavish Kremlin ceremony on Kalashnikov's 90th birthday, then-President Dmitry Medvedev bestowed on him the highest state honor - the Hero of Russia gold star medal - and lauded him for creating "the national brand every Russian is proud of".

Kalashnikov, a son of Siberian peasants who never finished school, said pride in his iconic invention was mixed with the pain of seeing it used by criminals and child soldiers.


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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:16 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Yes, that's because I'm not ashamed of being a man who will defend myself physically rather than with a pop gun.
Are u an MMA expert ?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:17 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
No.

Have you?


I am not the one not accepting black and white facts even when contain in finance journals when they do not support my positions.

It is still amazed me that you are that far out of touch with reality.

You should not be taking the time postings here you need to go at once to find medical help for your condition as soon as possible.


Bill...you are more in need of professional help than I ever will be.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:17 am
@OmSigDAVID,
No. Just a guy who had my share of fist fights when young.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Mon 23 Dec, 2013 11:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
Kalashnikov assault rifle designer is dead at 94
Reuters

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Mikhail Kalashnikov, the designer of the assault rifle that has killed more people than any other firearm in the world, died on Monday aged 94, Russian officials said.

Kalashnikov, who was in his 20s when he created the AK-47 just after World War Two, died in his home city of Izhevsk near the Ural Mountains, where his gun is still made, a spokesman for the Udmurtia province's president said on state television.

The spokesman did not give the cause of death. Kalashnikov was fitted with a electric heartbeat stimulator at a Moscow hospital in June and had been in hospital in Izhevsk since November 17, state media reported.

The AK-47, which rarely jams even in adverse conditions, went into service in the Soviet armed forces in 1949. Today, Kalashnikov rifles are still a mainstay of Russia's armed forces and police.

Known as the weapon of choice for guerrillas, the gun and its imitations have been used in conflicts around the world for decades.

At a lavish Kremlin ceremony on Kalashnikov's 90th birthday, then-President Dmitry Medvedev bestowed on him the highest state honor - the Hero of Russia gold star medal - and lauded him for creating "the national brand every Russian is proud of".

Kalashnikov, a son of Siberian peasants who never finished school, said pride in his iconic invention was mixed with the pain of seeing it used by criminals and child soldiers.


For all you gun lovers who will experience a sexual aura from this report.
Its sad; not sexual, but sad.
Maybe the imposter will try to get a picture of his penis
before it is too late!
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