The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@OmSigDAVID,

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Y don t u post a picture
of YOUR defensive ordnance, Bill ?

I will do so when I get a chance in the meantime here is a picture of the type of handgun off the net that I love most of all. A 357 SW model 19.

footnote..my 357 is in better shape

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAmZRjf_oB3gpnt1hFwx0Bq9Z9JM1_Vy2h6P2a08JUeaRZEsN5

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@BillRM,

Just out of curiosity, Bill,
in terms of successful STOPPING POWER,
don t u think that the extra mass of a .44 is functionally more effective than .357 ?

David

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@Romeo Fabulini,

That 's a great picture, Romeo!

As a matter of lifestyle, I 'd not wanna carry around too much bulk
all the time. I 've only actually needed my defensive gun
once in all of my years, decades and centuries
(tho there were a few other close calls).

Accordingly, I favor compact, short barreled revolvers
to abide the years of disuse between hostile employment thereof.
My .44 has a 2 inch barrel. Before I upgraded, my .38 had a 2 inch barrel.

In America, we don t have much exposed carry (depending on which State).
We usually carry concealed. Short barreled guns better conduce to that.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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n terms of successful STOPPING POWER,
don t u think that the extra mass of a .44 is functionally more effective than .357 ?

I think that the difference of what a hollow point 357 bullet will do compare to a .44 bullet is not worrisome.

Next my 357 is a part of me and I can shoot better with it then with any other hand gun I had used over the decades.

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I've never fired a real gun in my life and am no expert, but if ever I decided to buy a handgun it'd probably be a .38 revolver for two reasons. Correct me if i'm wrong but-
1- Revolvers don't jam as easily as automatics
2- .38 is a nice comfortable size for a handgun, and the calibre is not too big, not too small and would have good stopping power.

I don't think I'd like anything as big as Dirty Harry's .44 magnum cannon because it'd be too big and heavy to carry around easily, and it's got a recoil like a mule so it'd be hard to hold it on target

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@Romeo Fabulini,

If I was you I would go with a .357 as a .357 revolver can fired 38s and are just a soup up version of a 38.

Footnote one thing you need to do is to put a fair amount of time on ranges to be able to used a firearm safety and well.

In that regard you can buy 38 reloads anywhere that are a lot cheaper then new rounds and you can fired them from a .357 and still have the power of a .357 when you are carrying.

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@BillRM,

DAVID wrote:

in terms of successful STOPPING POWER,
don t u think that the extra mass of a .44 is functionally more effective than .357 ?

BillRM wrote:

I think that the difference of what a hollow point .357 bullet
will do compared to a .44 bullet is not worrisome.

Please note that my defensive bullet configuration,
for a lot of years, has been hollowpoint. I know of nothing more effective.

BillRM wrote:

Next my .357 is a part of me and I can shoot better
with it then with any other hand gun I had used over the decades.

So u r saying that u get better accuracy with your .357?
Have u compared that with .44 special? Its a lot more gentle than .44 magnum,
which I deem to be unreasonable overkill, except for animals.
Years ago, at a gunnery range in NY, I loaded the 6 round cylinder
of my Ruger .44 magnum SuperBlackhawk with alternating rounds
of .44 special and .44 magnum: that was an interesting sensation!

What does your engineering education tell u about the momentum of flying mass?
Wud u not expect to open a better wound channel
with .44 special than with .357 magnum (both hollowpointed) ?

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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What does your engineering education tell u about the momentum of flying mass?
Wud u not expect to open a better wound channel
with .44 special than with .357 magnum (both hollowpointed) ?

Remember the recoil you feel on firing a gun is the same force/momentum that is going to be transfer to a target at best by the bullet.

The total energy of the bullet matter more then the momentum in my opinion
and that go up with the square of the velocity of the bullet IE 1/2(M*V^2 compare to the momentum that go up only as M*V.

With hollow points most of the energy and momentum will be transfer to the target.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

I've never fired a real gun in my life and am no expert,

Its not too late, Romeo. (What about the picture? Did u discharge your M-16?)
Come to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave for gunnery practice.
I 've encountered several Englishmen visiting near Disney,
who opt to avail themselves of the freedom to work out with guns.
Some places will rent u the whole display case for $35 or $5O
(including all submachineguns); u need only buy the ammunition
for the guns that u try. I think that 's a sweet deal.

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

but if ever I decided to buy a handgun
it'd probably be a .38 revolver for two reasons.
Correct me if i'm wrong but-
1- Revolvers don't jam as easily as automatics

VERY, VERY TRUE!

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

2- .38 is a nice comfortable size for a handgun,

Let 's back up. .38 means that the internal diameter
of the bore (i.e., the open space where the bullet travels) is 38% of an inch.
Guns have different sizes depending upon the length of their barrels
and the size of their frames. U can choose the barrel length and the frame of your revolver
to accord with your taste in ordnance. Its like artwork.
The police have stopped me in gunnery ranges to commend me
upon the beauty of my defensive ordnance. I buy it as artwork.

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

and the calibre is not too big, not too small and would have good stopping power.

With all respect,
when I was 8, I began to carry, when I moved to Arizona.
As a naive 8 year old, I assumed that .38s had sufficient stopping power
to successfully defend me from violence. It served until I upgraded.
Men have perished having misplaced their faith in .38s.
Thay will kill the aggressor (with decent shot placement)
but he might kill u before he checks out. That has happened.
A .44 has a better chance of knocking him back.
Its not sufficient to kill the bad guy; u need to keep him OFF of u.
A hollowpointed .44 has a better chance of doing that
than a smaller, lighter weight, .38; if u r going to bet your life
on something, then it shud be optimally reliable.

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

I don't think I'd like anything as big as Dirty Harry's .44 magnum cannon
because it'd be too big and heavy to carry around easily,
and it's got a recoil like a mule so it'd be hard to hold it on target

A .44 special has less recoil.
This is my defensive personal weapon of choice,
defensively loaded with hollowpointed slugs:

http://www.proguns.com/images/used-guns/usedguns247-904/278taurus445.jpg

Its less bulky or cumbersome that Harry 's Smith & Wesson Model 29.

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Are these guys actually bragging about their guns...or are they just putting us on and actually talking about their dicks?

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@Frank Apisa,

All should know by now, they're talking about their penis. They feel very manly when they talk about guns. They love stories of killings with 'big' guns from which they get an erection.

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@cicerone imposter,

How did sarge put it, this my weapon, this is my gun, this is for working this is for fun.

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Speaking of weapon sizes, Frankie Apisa joined the Air Force, but icky little fighters were not for him so he went into the bomber wing to get his hands on monsters like this, what does that tell us about him?.. Wink

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/b-47-rato_zpsbb062945.jpg~original

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

All should know by now, they're talking about their penis. They feel very manly when they talk about guns. They love stories of killings with 'big' guns from which they get an erection.

You may be wrong. If you live in FL, you could well decide that you must have a gun.

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@Advocate,

I've never lived in Florida, and never have even had any idea of moving there to live.

Fortunately for my wife and I, we live in Silicon Valley, and our town has been rated very safe compared to other towns of this size. We even lived in Naperville, IL, some decades ago, and that town was also rated safe to live in.

We choose where we live carefully; where there is no need to have guns for defensive purposes.

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@Advocate,

cicerone imposter wrote:

All should know by now, they're talking about their penis. They feel very manly when they talk about guns. They love stories of killings with 'big' guns from which they get an erection.

CI is just mad that he isn't able to celebrate Pearl Harbor Day as freely as he would like to.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

All self defense programs that I am aware of state that if you need to fired a gun in self defense you should fired two times and then review if there is any more remaining threats where you need to fire again.

Better to fire continuously until the target drops.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Just out of curiosity, Bill,
in terms of successful STOPPING POWER,
don t u think that the extra mass of a .44 is functionally more effective than .357 ?

The higher velocity of lightweight .357 rounds gives them additional shocking power because the hollowpoint opens up faster and more vigorously.

Although you do need a longer barrel to fully generate that added velocity.

.357s also carry more rounds. You can have five rounds of .44 or seven rounds of .357 in the same size gun.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong but-
1- Revolvers don't jam as easily as automatics

There are things that can go wrong with reloading them. But it is true that you will almost certainly be able to fire all the rounds in the cylinder with no problems.

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

2- .38 is a nice comfortable size for a handgun, and the calibre is not too big, not too small and would have good stopping power.

Mediocre stopping power. It's right on the margin.

It's essentially the revolver version of the 9mm. It's powerful enough to be "good enough". But it's also weak enough that even a slight increase in potency will produce a noticeable improvement in effectiveness.

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@oralloy,

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It's essentially the revolver version of the 9mm. It's powerful enough to be "good enough". But it's also weak enough that even a slight increase in potency will produce a noticeable improvement in effectiveness

.357...........

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