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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 03:14 am

I thawt that Mr. West did a creditable job; well skilled,
self-possessed, well informed, adroit.

Un-impressive was Mr. O'Mara.
Trial Lawyers shud KNOW that choice of words is important.
If he opts to tell decedent 's mother of the state of his emotions,
OK (as if anyone cares), but to APOLOGIZE includes
an implicit admission of guilt in addition to remorse; i.e., disloyal to Zimmy.

I 'd not want that guy to defend me
from a parking ticket.





David
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 06:44 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
because he is being hung for pursuing a perceived threat...


He wasn't "pursuing" anybody or anything. Zimmerman had gotten out of his car to check an address, was returning to his car, and Martin doubled back and attacked him.

IF this had been a simple case of Zimmerman "pursuing" Martin, nobody would have died. Aside from being the athlete between the two, Martin knew where he was going and Zimmerman did not.
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 06:47 am
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3039696/posts

Quote:

Miami media has done such a poor job of reporting this trial...I got into a conversation this morning with a college-aged girl who is absolutely convinced that George Zimmerman's attacker was an innocent angel.

She looked stupified when I told her that George's attacker started the confrontation--it was completely NEW information to her, because the very liberal Miami media has emphasized the lie that George was out for blood lust.


Quote:
Zimmerman’s Mom, “That was my baby desperately calling for help as he straddled that crazy ass cracker and pounded his head into the pavement.”

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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 06:48 am
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/johnkj/PICT00061sm_zps3922e55e.jpg
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 06:52 am
http://funnyasduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/funny-george-carlin-think-how-stupid-average-person-is-half-stupider-quote-pics.jpg
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 07:33 am
gungasnaKKKe says:
Quote:
He wasn't "pursuing" anybody or anything. Zimmerman had gotten out of his car to check an address, was returning to his car, and Martin doubled back and attacked him.



Reaaallly? You do realize Zimmerman admits he was chasing Trayvon on the dispatcher's tape, don't you?

You do realize the attack took place in the interior of a residential bloock, in peoples' backyards, far from the street, don't you?

You realize street signs are posted on street corners, not in backyards, don't you?

You realize people put their street numbers on the fronts of their houses, not their backyards, don't you?

You realize Zimmerman couldn't possibly have been trying to identify an address in a backyard, don't you.

You realize now that Zimmerman was in fact pursuing Trayvon, don't you?

You realize that your source, whatever it was, was full of crap, deon't you?
gungasnake
 
  -1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 07:54 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Reaaallly? You do realize Zimmerman admits he was chasing Trayvon on the dispatcher's tape, don't you?


Liar.
Rockhead
 
  2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 07:57 am
@gungasnake,
mr zimmerman?

yes...
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:14 am

I felt sad n disappointed to see Mr. O' Mara 's performance
in his PFC motion: very informal & a shapeless mess;
no discernible organization, just rambling thru the record,
fumbling n commenting upon whatever his attention chanced to lite.
(He shud have had notes, in outline form to guide him
tho, admittedly, few trial lawyers do that.)
I 'd say that the structure of his argument of this dispositive motion
was poor, except that no structure existed, so far as I cud see.

He simply stood up and began talking, like wondering desultorily. No kudos.
I felt as if I had arrived in the middle of a movie.
Of course, it was obvious that he was arguing in support of a PFC motion,
as Judge Nelson had implicitly invited when the prosecution rested,
but O'Mara never actually moved the court, defining his motion.
It was an embarrassment.

I 'm not used to seeing that happen.
Trial lawyers usually like to look GOOD (at least well organized).
Trial lawyers usually have some degree of pride, or at least an ego.
In my years, decades n centuries of observation,
when plaintiff (the government, in a criminal case) rests,
defense counsel is expected to rise n say something like:
"May it please this honorable Court:
I move to dismiss the instant complaint on the merits,
for failure to establish a prima facie case."

He then meticulously defines the elements
of that cause of action (i.e., each felony charged in the indictment),
based on statutory and judicial authority and then a deft practioner
proceeds, in stirring oratory, to show that the record does not include
evidence (or offers only legally inadequate evidence)
concerning as many of the necessary elements of those
causes of action as he possibly can,
depending upon the state of the record
(which he has scrupulously scoured beforehand,
with the most intense care, or had someone competent
do it for him n give him the results, on which he relies).

When Mr. O' Mara returns to his friends n family,
he has little to be proud of qua his lackluster
argument of that dispositive motion, in front of America.
Presumably, Mr. West cud have and wud have done a better job.
(Was he in pain, listening to the aimless mess that O' Mara was offering??)

Even if O' Mara had been demoralized by an ostensibly
political trial judge such that he deemed the motion hopelessly futile,
it remained his professional duty to make a competent record
in anticipation of appeal, shud that become necessary.
That is how (almost) everyone does it.
He did a sloppy job, with America watching him.
Good trial lawyers r artists; thay express their souls in motion practice.
Thay love it! O' Mara simply lived thru it.
Most likely, he will win in the end,
but he gets not much of a trophy.

Is he pro bono ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:34 am

ERRATUM:

"wondering desultorily"
shud have been:

wandering desultorily.





David
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revelette
 
  2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:39 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
imagine that he will be offered employment by many police depts.
to which he may offer his services.


Ok, if "zimmy" gets off, keep up with him and see if he is flooded with offers from police departments. The police department is not the military, out there recruiting potential officers.
roger
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:42 am
@revelette,
I'm not expecting to see many offers extended. No. He may be found not guilty, and may in fact be innocent of the elements of the crime, but no.

Well, in central Florida, maybe.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:46 am
@revelette,
DAVID wrote:
imagine that he will be offered employment by many police depts.
to which he may offer his services.
revelette wrote:
Ok, if "zimmy" gets off, keep up with him and see if he is flooded with offers from police departments.
After he applies
to those police depts. for employment.

I don't expect them to chase him ab initio,
just based on knowing him from this trial.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:49 am
No. He's pro malo.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:50 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
No. He's pro malo.
Clever; thank u.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
never mind. this was a double post.
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revelette
 
  2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
After he applies
to those police depts. for employment.


well you said "offered employment" to which he "may offer his services."

Quote:
imagine that he will be offered employment by many police depts.
to which he may offer his services.


It was just a silly thing to say.

I read an article to which I posted the other day where police chiefs in Florida objected the 2005 self defense laws in Florida and pointed to the Zimmerman case as an example of why it was disastrous.

Florida’s Disastrous Self-Defense Law

So, I don't think the Florida police department is going to offer employment to Zimmerman anytime soon.
parados
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:58 am
@gungasnake,

I guess that was the purple drank that didn't contain any drugs since there was no mention of it in the autopsy report.
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parados
 
  1  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:59 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:

Much has been made of Zimmy 's desires to become a police officer.


because he is being hung for pursuing a perceived threat, which is a smart move no matter what his dreams and aspirations were.

If he pursued a perceived threat then he clearly did something a reasonable person would not do which meets the standard for man slaughter.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 6 Jul, 2013 09:04 am
gunga says:
Quote:
@MontereyJack,

Quote:
Reaaallly? You do realize Zimmerman admits he was chasing Trayvon on the dispatcher's tape, don't you?

Liar.


911 dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.

I wouldn't sling around epithets like "liar" if I were you, gunga. Particularly if I were you, given your astonishing distance from the truth virtually all the time.
 

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