The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

conservatives and liberals are intimidated by violence, which is why we have an illegal prison camp at Guantanamo Bay.

It is not illegal for the US to detain captured enemy fighters as POWs until the end of the war.

If it did ever become illegal for the US to hold POWs until the end of a war, it would immediately become legal for the US to slaughter all enemy soldiers without quarter whenever they try to surrender to us.

hawkeye10 wrote:

That is why why have an abusive and illegal NSA.

Hardly illegal or abusive for our spy agencies to actually do their jobs.

hawkeye10 wrote:

The terrorists have won.

The terrorists were hoping to conquer the world and genocide all non-Muslims.

Instead, they are being slaughtered by DroneStrikes.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

It always comes down to this doesn't. Zimmerman had all the responsibility and Martin has none.
Where does Martin's self control come into play?

I guess the next time someone follows me and I don't like it,
I can turn around and just start hitting them?

I have repeatedly posted the following
and the left consistently refuses to comment on it
because it shows how embarrassingly rong thay and martin are and were:
last summer, I returned from Florida to NY.
In a spirit of nostalgia, I drove back to my first NY naborhood, around 4 AM.
I thawt that might well be the last time that I ever see the old naborhood.
I was looking over the area, remembering the placement of stores there
in earlier decades, when the owner of a bar emerged, locked up
and he confronted me qua what I was doing. I was in a very good mood; happy, soft n gentle.
I joked around with him. No one got shot. No one 's head was beaten on the streets of NY.
Contrast that with Martin's lust for bragging about pounding a white.
Martin picked on the rong man. IF he had picked on an un-armed liberal, then it wud have been OK.

Zimmy voted for obama; maybe I shud laff.

David

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@Advocate,

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I never claimed that GZ was a model citizen. But you were claiming such for TM.

Trayvon Martin was a barely 17 year old high school junior, who wasn't creating any problems in his community, or having run-ins with the police. But I never claimed he was an angel, he wasn't perfect. Few 16 year olds are.

But why does the victim of an unnecessary homicide have to be an angel?

It was Zimmerman's behavior that brought about a needless and avoidable encounter with Martin--he was the one who went after Martin, Martin wasn't bothering him at all. And, while Zimmerman's past documented aggressive behaviors indicate something about him, and how he deals with others, nothing about Trayvon Martin's past behaviors, which Zimmerman knew nothing about, explains why Zimmerman racially profiled him and began stalking him.

And I am concerned about how George Zimmerman, with all his guns, might act in the future. And I see that as the only reason to continue to talk about this case at all--the trial, and that legal case, ended 5 months ago.

Let me repeat what I said before...

Trayvon Martin was on his way back to the residence he was staying at, looking forward to watching a basketball game on TV, when George Zimmerman, with impaired judgment, decided he was "a suspect", and with even poorer judgment, and impulse control, began stalking the kid in the dark..

If George Zimmerman had remained in his car, or, probably, if he had even identified himself, there would have been no confrontation, and no one would have gotten hurt...Zimmerman brought about the entire encounter...and he caused a needless, avoidable, tragic death.

And since Zimmerman chalks it all up, not to his behavior, and poor judgment, but rather to "God's plan," it's entirely possible, given his lack of insight, that he will act that recklessly again, and he'll cause another needless death.

And he has had repeated run-ins with the police since his acquittal.

It's only a matter of time until his next one...

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

we have an illegal prison camp at Guantanamo Bay.

WHAT is "illegal" about that prison??

Which statute did it violate??

Please provide that information, Hawkeye.

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@firefly,

I wasn't an angel in my teen years either! I did my share of fighting with kids who picked on me because of my eyeglasses. I learned quickly that if they tease you, and you fight back, they stopped.

Some of these guys on these threads make you want to puke! They want everybody to believe they were angles. They must have lived amongst angels, and didn't have any delinquents in their midst. What a bunch of dorks!

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@OmSigDAVID,

The freedom to have legal representation of any charge the government makes against them.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The freedom to have legal representation of any charge
the government makes against them.

What is the source
of that freedom for ALIEN prisoners of war ??

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@OmSigDAVID,

We all know you're not a good lawyer, but the Geneva Convention regulations allows for any prisoner to have legal representation.

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PART III – LEGAL PROCEEDINGS IN RESPECT OF PROTECTED PERSONS
8. Notice of trial of protected persons to be served on protecting power, etc.
(1) The court before which:
(a) a protected prisoner of war is brought up for trial for an offence; or
(b) a protected internee is brought up for trial for an offence for which that court has power to
sentence him or her to imprisonment for a term of two years or more;
shall not proceed with the trial until it is proved to the satisfaction of the court that a notice containing the
particulars mentioned in sub-section (2), so far as they are known to the prosecutor, has been served not
less than 3 weeks previously on the protecting power (if there is a protecting power) and, if the accused is
a protected prisoner of war, on the accused and the prisoners’ representative.
(2) The particulars referred to in subsection (1) are:
(a) the full name, date of birth and description of the accused, including his or her profession
or trade; and where the accused is a protected prisoner of war, the accused’s rank and his
or her army, regimental, personal and serial number;
(b) the accused’s place of detention, internment or residence;
(c) the offence with which the accused is charged; and
(d) the court before which the trial is to take place and the time and place appointed for the
trial.
(3) For the purposes of this section, a document purporting:
(a) to be signed on behalf of the protecting power or by the prisoners’ representative or by the
person accused, as the case may be; and
(b) to be an acknowledgement of the receipt by that power, representative or person on a
specified day of a notice described in the document as a notice under this section;
shall, unless the contrary is shown, be sufficient evidence that the notice required by subsection (1) was
served on that power, representative or person on that day.
(4) A court which adjourns a trial for the purpose of enabling the requirements of this section to be
complied with may, notwithstanding anything in any other law, remand the accused for the period of the
adjournment.7
9. Legal representation of certain persons
(1) The court before which:
(a) any person is brought up for trial for an offence under section 3 or section 4 of this Act; or
(b) a protected prisoner of war is brought up for trial for any offence;
shall not proceed with the trial unless –
(i) the accused is represented by counsel; and
(ii) it is proved to the satisfaction of the court that a period of not less than 14 days has elapsed since instructions for the representation of the accused at the trial were first given to the counsel;
and, if the court adjourns the trial for the purpose of enabling the requirements of this subsection to be complied with, then, notwithstanding anything in any other law, the court may remand the accused for the
period of the adjournment.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Some of these guys on these threads make you want to puke! They want everybody to believe they were angles. They must have lived amongst angels, and didn't have any delinquents in their midst. What a bunch of dorks!

Sorry any fighting I did ended at the start of middle school and I and my friends went far out of our why to have nothings to do with the school "delinquents".

Next I also did wear glasses but to be fair I was always bigger then most other kids.

Still I can not think of any of my group having a lot of problem being picked on and surely not into the high school years.

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I did my share of fighting with kids who picked on me because of my eyeglasses.

Have a habit of attacking adults on the public street CI or fighting for that matter in your last few years in high school?????

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@BillRM,

And you never heard of gangs that goes way beyond "middle school." Your neighborhood is unique in many ways; nobody turned out to break any laws and were/are always law abiding citizens beyond middle school. You were angles beyond your middle school years, because "you quit fighting."

ROFLMAO

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@hawkeye10,

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A 17 year old of any color when visiting a neighborhood and confronted by an older man asking his business should be respectful, and should probably answer the questions....

Had Zimmerman bothered to identify himself, and approached Martin in a respectful manner, Martin probably would have done that.

And, had Zimmerman actually been a security guard, with a uniform to identify him as such, his motives, and legitimacy in questioning Martin would have been clear to the teen. But, Zimmerman was not a security guard, as a neighborhood watch volunteer, his only job was only to call the police, and not to check out his "suspects" or to stalk them. It was Zimmerman who way over-stepped his boundaries. And Martin had no idea who this guy was, or what he wanted, or what he might do to him.

And, if Zimmerman thought Martin was "a f---ing punk" I doubt he approached the kid with anything near a respectful attitude. And, since he hadn't actually seen Martin do anything wrong, Martin should have been approached in a respectful non-challenging way, if Zimmerman wanted to have contact with him at all, and he clearly should have identified himself, and his reasons for questioning Martin.

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he should not jump to the conclusion that anyone interested in him is a fag rapist...

He didn't jump to the conclusion that "anyone interested in him is a fag rapist"--he was concerned about the specific individual who had been stalking him in the dark for no apparent reason, and it was his friend Rachel who suggested that the man might be a sexual predator.

Actually Martin had considerably more reason to think that someone stalking him in the dark, for no apparent reason, might intend to harm him, than Zimmerman had to believe that a kid, just walking around, and looking around, while talking on a cell phone was "up to no good."

It's the kind of poor judgment, and provocative behavior, that Zimmerman displayed that night that makes me worry about that kind of person continuing to walk around armed, and continuing to amass guns. Particularly since he has continued to provoke and instigate confrontations, like the one with his estranged wife and her father, since his acquittal. He charged over and started that incident, when it could have been avoided and handled differently. That is why O'Mara was fuming at him when he arrived on the scene.

It's who Zimmerman might hurt next I'm concerned about.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Re: Romeo Fabulini (Post 5524393)
You don't simply because you're a bigot. Many races and cultures fall in love, intermarry, and have children.

You're absolutely right. Romeo should be an embarrassment to anyone who professes to be a Christian (including myself). I'm wondering if he has perverted a certain passage in Genesis 9 to claim that God ordained white supremacy and Jim Crow with all of its cruelties ("the curse of Ham"). Did it ever occur to him that racist sentiment is unscriptural, not to mention morally wrong? I assume Great Britain has their own version of the Ku Klux Klan. I'd expect Romeo to be a member.

Using a fictional TV show (Star Trek) to bolster a claim is truly dumb. Quite laughable. It doesn't prove a thing.

Real Christians teach the truth, even when it is unpopular; but they don't manifest an arrogant, self-promoting attitude, which Romeo has been doing ever since he started posting here.

Since I have a problem with anger on my part, I had resolved to never again post any controversial comments in this forum; but I've had enough of this buffoonish jerk! He does more to promote unbelief than someone like Richard Hawkins!

No, coldjoint, I'm not condemning all conservatives. I'm simply telling off an individual. For the record, I'm not a "progressive." Here's proof: I don't support abortion on demand or same-sex marriage. (Uh-oh! I'm in trouble now!) Just so you'll know I'm not playing politics.

Romeo is a perfect soul mate for Pamela Rosa. He should send her a PM. They would make a splendid couple. I can just see it now. If they had a son, they would name him "David Duke Fabulini."

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@wmwcjr,

wmwcjr wrote:

I assume Great Britain has their own version of the Ku Klux Klan. I'd expect Romeo to be a member.

Nothing quite like that. There are far right wing political parties, but nothing quite so ritualised.

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@wmwcjr,

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Using a fictional TV show (Star Trek) to bolster a claim is truly dumb. Quite laughable. It doesn't prove a thing.

This is the clue as to why people who view themselves as superior to others must relate to fictional characters. They even created a George Zimmerman who doesn't even resemble the real person, and who've they've created in their own minds!

Their reality doesn't exist.

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@cicerone imposter,

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And you never heard of gangs that goes way beyond "middle school

Not in my school the only gang I know about was in West Side Story. Hell would had likely been out at high noon if someone had try to set up a "real gang" in my school.

Can not see either the school administration or the parents even dreaming of allowing such nonsense.

We have groups such as the athletes, the average kids just marking time, the leaders/honor group and my group the kids with the slide rulers who was known for doing such evil deeds as blowing out part of a parents basement trying to product gasoline additives to soup up our cars.

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because "you quit fighting."

Sorry for one thing I knew damn well that if I would have gotten so off track as to get into fights in high school my parents would come down on me for doing so as the parents of any of the other students would also likely had done.

I would surely not had been allow out walking around looking for trouble if I had been suspense from school.

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@BillRM,

I love it! Angels with guns.

BTW, any of your family members, friends, or people in your neighborhood ever go to war?

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@cicerone imposter,

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I love it! Angels with guns.

So kids raised by responsible parents and a school system that do not allow gangs mean that the children are angels?

We was hardly angels I can still remember going by the state trooper barracks at over a hundred miles an hours in the early AM on route 35.

Then I can remember telling Charlie that the chemicals he was working with could send his parents home into orbit, just before one corner of his parents basement that had his work table got blasted.

Thankfully there was no fire and no one was harm other then Charlie from his parents reaction to being woke up in the AM from the blast.

Then Tom got his hands on a police car that was in for work at the garage he was employ at and have fun getting behind us and then pulling us over with the red lights.

We was just not into mindless violence that you think should be a normal part of growing up.

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Zimmerman Latest Notorious Figure to Turn to Art
Online Bids for George Zimmerman Artwork Reach $100,000
Dec. 17, 2013—

Bids for a painting by George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who admitted to killing Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, have reached $100,000 on eBay, the online auction house.

The painting is the first work by Zimmerman, who was acquitted in Martin's death, but it's not the first by a notorious character more famous for his crimes than his art.

The Zimmerman painting depicts an American flag in differing shades of blue with the words "one nation" under the word "God," followed by the words "With liberty and justice for all."

Jodi Arias, convicted of murdering her boyfriend Travis Alexander in May, began selling limited edition prints she drew in prison with colored pencils.

Her first work was first listed on eBay in October, on sale for between $300 and $400.

John Wayne Gacy, a serial murderer nicknamed the "Killer Clown," began producing works of art for sale prior to his execution in 1994.

Gacy, who confessed to killing between 25 and 30 boys and young men, sold his acrylic paintings, many of which depicted demented clowns, for as much as $4,500.

Charles Manson, the charismatic criminal convicted of inspiring his followers to kill half a dozen people in their "Helter Skelter" rage, is a prolific prison artist.

Though known for his music compositions, including works he sold to the Beach Boys, Manson has produced dozens of drawings in prison since his conviction in 1971.

As a young man, Adolf Hitler, one of the world's most notorious mass murderers, dreamed of attending art school.

Hitler, however, was rejected from art institutes twice in 1907 and 1908.

Many of his works were confiscated by the U.S. government following his death in 1945.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmerman-latest-notorious-figure-turn-art/story?id=21249668

Something very fishy is going on with the bidding on Zimmerman's painting--and the top bid has dropped by $20,000 in the past two hours--from around $110,000 down to about $95,000. That's not generally the direction auction bids go in. Rolling Eyes

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@firefly,

More power to Zim if he sells his "artwork" for $100 grand. I just wonder if I can sell some of my photographs for a fraction of that amount? LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

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More power to Zim if he sells his "artwork" for $100 grand. I just wonder if I can sell some of my photographs for a fraction of that amount? LOL

It will be fun and interesting to see what he will get for the gun he used that night to defend himself once Holder have run out of excuses to have a federal hold on it.

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