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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
oralloy
 
  2  
Mon 16 Dec, 2013 07:33 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
What a terrible year 2013 has been for the lefties with first Martin and then the commie terrorist Mandela being taken out of the frame!

I don't think Mr. Mandela ever engaged in terrorism.

He did take up arms, but to be a terrorist he would have to have intentionally targeted civilians, and I don't believe he ever did that.

It does seem that he had some goofy Marxist ideals, but that does not detract from his amazing stand against racism.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 07:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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This thread is not about you.

If people would stop trying to make threads about me and would concentrate on the thread topic i would be a happy man.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 07:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:


Has Mr. Zimmerman received all his guns back yet? Or is it time for the civil rights community to start cracking down on the government again?
last I heard they were ready for pick up but he had not been down. Reports also have it that Zimmerman has announced that he will soon leave florida for good.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 07:38 pm
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Orlando attorney Mark O'Mara, who took on George Zimmerman as a client in one of the nation's most high-profile murder trials and won his acquittal, is now the subject of an ethics complaint for how he handled the case.

Few details are available, including who filed the complaint and what allegations O'Mara is facing, but The Florida Bar on Monday confirmed that its staff is investigating a complaint and has made no determination as to whether O'Mara should face possible discipline.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-omara-complaint-20131216,0,3523757.story

it will be interesting to see if this is about charging Zimmerman $2.5 million for work that was promised for free.
firefly
 
  1  
Mon 16 Dec, 2013 07:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, the rule of law allows people to protest government actions in a peaceful manner, just as Martin's parents did with their protests of the D.A.'s actions in not arresting and charging Zimmerman.

The chief police investigator found Zimmerman's version of events, and his claim of self-defense "unconvincing" and he wanted him arrested and charged the night of the shooting, the D.A. passed on doing that, and that was reason for the protests that followed.

Do you really think the government should just ignore such protests, which are based on valid claims, and not appoint special prosecutors to further look into the matter? These are procedures already in place and followed, they weren't created for "special people", and the government has an obligation to look into the actions of D.A.'s when the public is complaining and protesting about homicide victims being ignored.

I repeat--There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that, if one of your children was killed under similarly questionable circumstances, and the shooter was not arrested, despite his "unconvincing" self-defense story, and the recommendation of the police investigator that he should have been arrested and charged the night of the shooting, that, just like Martin's parents, you would have carried on to beat the band. You'd be carrying on about a "dysfunctional government" that was so incompetent it didn't care about your unarmed child winding up dead at the hands of a shooter with a questionable and unconvincing story of self-defense--you'd be screaming for the man's arrest, and you'd be blasting the government, and you'd be calling for protests.

I really do think you'd react just the way Martin's parents did.

And you haven't said anything to indicate you would have reacted any differently than Martin's family did, if you felt your child's questionable death, at the hands of a shooter with an "unconvincing" self-defense story, was being ignored by the state.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 07:51 pm
@firefly,
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Do you really think the government should just ignore such protests, which are based on valid claims, and not appoint special prosecutors to further look into the matter?
if the state is going to target individual citizens with ad hoc procedures to produce charges the charges damn well better be air tight.

the state had half a story no case, the targeting of a man named George Zimmerman was abuse at the hands of the state.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 07:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
From the article that is of great interest to those of us who has followed this case.

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Few details are available, including who filed the complaint and what allegations O'Mara is facing, but The Florida Bar on Monday confirmed that its staff is investigating a complaint and has made no determination as to whether O'Mara should face possible discipline.


Interesting.
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firefly
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
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if the state is going to target individual citizens with ad hoc procedures...

The use of special prosecutors is not an "ad hoc" procedure. Special prosecutors are used and appointed all the time. And, in this case, the target was the D.A. who passed on arresting Zimmerman--it was his judgment that was being questioned--the special prosecutor is appointed, in effect, to offer a second opinion.
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the state had half a story no case...

The state had a good case, given Zimmerman's lack of credibility, his "unconvincing story", but their good case was for manslaughter, not murder. And you yourself have said you think there was no need for Zimmerman to have used lethal force--that lack of need, coupled with his "unconvincing" self-defense story, was a major part of the state's case against him. Their contention,with the murder charge, was that, "Zimmerman didn't shoot Trayvon Martin because he needed to, or had to, he shot him because he wanted to"--so you agree with the state more than you think or admit.

Had the state focused on manslaughter, the jury would have better understood the manslaughter law, which it appears at least one or more of them did not accurately understand, and that might well have changed their verdict.

The state had a good case--on their first vote, 2 of the jury members voted for manslaughter, and one voted for second degree murder, so at least half the jury thought the state had a case, half of them thought the state had made its case. That means Zimmerman wasn't being "abused" at the hands of the state with bogus charges and no evidence.



BillRM
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Stalking is illegal; what Zim did is now outlawed,


WRONG WRONG WRONG LIE LIE LIE LIE BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

What Zimmerman did was not illegal under Florida law and if it have been his lawyers could not had mounted a self defense defense.........

BillRM
 
  2  
Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:29 pm
@oralloy,
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Has Mr. Zimmerman received all his guns back yet? Or is it time for the civil rights community to start cracking down on the government again?


I read a few days ago that all he needed to do is drop by the police station to picked them up however given they was removed the guns from him the police should need to deliver them to him.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:34 pm
@BillRM,
Proved once again that you 1) lack any understanding of the English language, and 2) you are just plain stupid!
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BillRM
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
if the state is going to target individual citizens with ad hoc procedures to produce charges the charges damn well better be air tight.

the state had half a story no case, the targeting of a man named George Zimmerman was abuse at the hands of the state.


It nice that you can be charge with a crime if enough people wish you to be charge and they threaten violence if you are not charge by chanting no justice no peace.


cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:38 pm
@BillRM,
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SANFORD -- More than a year and a half after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman, the city of Sanford is making major changes to its neighborhood watch program, including...forbidding them from pursuing anyone in their neighborhoods...

Sanford's new police chief, Cecil Smith, said the neighborhood watch program as it was operated while Zimmerman was part of it was dysfunctional and had no accountability.

"In this program, it is clearly stated that you will not pursue an individual," Smith explained...

Smith said when he took over as Sanford's chief of police in April, the neighborhood watch program Zimmerman was part of was still operating the same way it was when he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin more than a year earlier.

Though Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder in July, Smith said the program needed to be re-evaluated, so he stopped it completely until changes could be implemented.

"We've seen this happen already, where an individual was declaring that under the auspice of neighborhood watch, he was performing a duty that he wasn't," Smith explained, calling the previous state of the program dysfunctional, disorganized and disjointed...

In addition to the ban on ...following suspects, the revamped neighborhood watch program in Sanford additionally will include mandatory background checks....

Smith said the new program is really just getting back to the basics of what neighborhood watch is supposed to be.

"Neighborhood watch is a very simple organization. It's about neighbors helping neighbors, talking to neighbors about ways to make their neighborhood safe. That's it," Smith said...

http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/10/29/neighborhood_watch_zimmerman.html



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Sanford bans guns from neighborhood watch patrol after Zimmerman case
firefly
 
  1  
Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They took back the ban on guns, C.I. although they are very, very strongly advising the volunteers not to carry them

The prohibition on following is still in effect.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sorry the good police chief back off a ban on guns while on neighborhood watch patrol not that any such ban would be legal except as a reason to kicked you off the program if you are armed or dare to follow someone for that matter.

An there is no reason you can not just ignore the program and walk around your neighborhood calling the police if you see something worrisome you do not need the permission of a police chief to go for a walk even armed or to call the police if you feel like it needed.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:50 pm
@firefly,
Thanks for the update.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 16 Dec, 2013 08:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Footnote the "neighborhood watch" in my neighborhood after Hurricane Andrew knocked everything out including the means to call the police or the police doing any patrolling was armed with shotguns.

Even Trayvon would had been polite to them.......LOL
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firefly
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 09:58 pm
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George Zimmerman is selling his original artwork on eBay
December 16, 2013

SANFORD -- It appears George Zimmerman has turned to painting, and is selling his own, original artwork on eBay not one week after prosecutors dropped domestic violence charges against him.

The canvas painting appeared on the auction website Monday. A picture of the artwork shows a U.S. flag painted only in various shades of blue, with the words "God, One Nation, with Liberty and Justice for All," stamped in white letters on the flag's darker blue stripes.

Zimmerman's brother, Robert Zimmerman Jr., has confirmed the auction is real, and said the painting is, indeed, the work of his brother, who was acquitted of murder in July for the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford.

The painting's seller is listed under the user "therealgeorgez." The auction page included the following description:

First hand painted artwork by me, George Zimmerman. Everyone has been asking what I have been doing with myself. I found a creative, way to express myself, my emotions and the symbols that represent my experiences. My art work allows me to reflect, providing a therapeutic outlet and allows me to remain indoors :-) I hope you enjoy owning this piece as much as I enjoyed creating it. Your friend, George Zimmerman

The painting's starting bid was set at $50, plus an additional $40 for expedited shipping from Sanford, according to the auction page. As of 4:45 p.m. Monday, the winning bid was more than $202. Bidding was set to end early Monday, Dec. 22, at 12:55 a.m. EST.

In November, four months after his acquittal in the Trayvon Martin shooting case, Zimmerman was arrested in Apopka after his girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, called 911 claiming he pointed a gun at her. Scheibe later recanted that claim and opted not pursue the case, saying she wanted to get back together with Zimmerman, whose estranged wife, Shellie, filed for divorce in September.

After his domestic violence arrest, Zimmerman told a judge he only had $144 to his name and $2.5 million in liabilities in debt. His former attorney, Mark O'Mara said he believes most of that debt was money owed to him and attorney Don West, both of whom represented Zimmerman in his murder trial.
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/12/16/zimmerman_artwork.html

http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/12/16/zimmerman_artwork/_jcr_content/contentpar/articleBody/image.img.jpg/1387230518350.jpg

Here's the link to the e-bay listing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/George-Zimmerman-original-painting-/111239922810?pt=Art_Paintings&hash=item19e66a847a#shpCntId

When I just looked, the bid was up to almost $100, 000. Shocked I think the bidders are out of their minds.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 10:20 pm
@firefly,
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I think the bidders are out of their minds.

of course, because you have never taken the time to understand those who disagree with you on this subject, you would rather devote your energy towards trying to beat them into submission to your will.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 16 Dec, 2013 10:23 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Special prosecutors are used and appointed all the time
not against regular citizens, this is normally a procedure to make sure that justice is done when the suspect might be avoiding justice through political juice. it is a remedy to power subverting justice. Zimmerman had no power, using a special prosecutor against him is highly suspect.
 

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