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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:04 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."- (President John Adams 1735-1826)
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Zimmy is the latest in a long line of patriots willing to put themselves in harms way to protect themselves and their neighbourhoods..Smile

Minute Man statue
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Anyone who considers Zimmerman a "patriot" for what he did...needs a brain transplant.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:12 am
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Frank Apisa said: Anyone who considers Zimmerman a "patriot" for what he did...needs a brain transplant.

Mate, in your Air Force days you and your chums patriotically did your duty by going up against the mighty Soviet Union with these babies, so do we need brain transplants for considering you patriots?
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BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:13 am
@Frank Apisa,
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All things considered, Bill, you ought never to question anyone else's intelligence, common sense, or logic.


This from the idiot that kept stating that you can give credit to any belief you care to such as the tooth fairy to a god due to not being any to disprove a negative.
BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:16 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Anyone who considers Zimmerman a "patriot" for what he did...needs a brain transplant


Most any living creature will defend it life but for such brainless creatures as CI, Frank or Firefly at least they are claiming they would allow themselves to be beaten to death by such a hoodlum as Trayvon.
firefly
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:17 am
@BillRM,
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Thanks god the Zimerman's jury was not so lacking.


That's right. The jury had what you lack.

The jury had the "logic and commonsense" to be troubled by the fact that the entire confrontation was instigated by Zimmerman, by his stalking of Martin.
That's why, at the end of the trial, on their first vote, 1 of the 6 felt he was guilty of 2nd degree murder, and 2 more voted for manslaughter. And, even at the final vote for acquittal, most felt he should have been convicted of something, but they didn't think they could do so under the laws they were given.

Unfortunately, the jury did not fully understand the manslaughter law, and that was clear from the juror who said she thought manslaughter had to be "premeditated"--which must have been what the other jurors thought as well, otherwise they would have corrected her. That was the juror that sent a question to the judge about manslaughter--her question never got answered.
The state actually had made a good case for manslaughter, if the jurors had better understood the law.

And, certainly, the juror who said, "George Zimmerman got away with murder," did show more logic and commonsense than you do because she realized Zimmerman was responsible for a needless death.

Zimmerman caused a totally needless and avoidable death by stalking Martin, and even the jury realized that, and the police did as well.

If there is nothing wrong with following/stalking "suspects", why is it against Neighborhood Watch rules, BillRM? And why do you think it's also against Neighborhood Watch rules for these people to carry guns while "watching" the neighborhood? Do you need a gun to "watch?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:18 am
@firefly,
The interesting part of all this is that even Zimmerman was a visitor to that community. He actually lived with his mother in Miami.

Was he a Neighborhood Watch member in his own community in Miami?
BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
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The interesting part of all this is that even Zimmerman was a visitor to that community. He actually lived with his mother in Miami.


Oh that is a brand new bit of information would you care to link to that information!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was part of the neighborhood watch in that community for a decade or so at least a very strange thing to be if he was living in Miami!!!!!!!!!

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firefly
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:35 am
@BillRM,
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Most any living creature will defend it life...

And that's most likely what Trayvon Martin did...

A creepy stranger had been stalking him in the dark, for no apparent reason, without ever identifying himself, and he may well have grabbed Martin's arm, while he reached for his gun, when he confronted him. Why shouldn't Martin have tried to defend himself?

You forget, Zimmerman was the one with a past history of anger management problems and aggressive acts toward others, Martin had absolutely no history of being aggressive, assaultive, or threatening to others, or of even having any problems with anger. He had no history of "attacking" people who "annoyed" him, or even people who made him angry. But Zimmerman does.

And Zimmerman was angry at Martin, that's why he was stalking him, he didn't want this "f---ing punk" to get away. He was so angry he couldn't remain in his car until the police got there.

So, using "logic and commonsense" which one of them would have been the more likely aggressor?

Unfortunately, the one acting in self-defense was the one without a gun.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:37 am
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Cicerone said: The interesting part of all this is that even Zimmerman was a visitor to that community. He actually lived with his mother in Miami.

So what? Frank Apisa came all the way from America to defend Britain against the Russkis with his B-47 bombers, bless his heart (sniffle)
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:40 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Frank Apisa said: Anyone who considers Zimmerman a "patriot" for what he did...needs a brain transplant.

Mate, in your Air Force days you and your chums patriotically did your duty by going up against the mighty Soviet Union with these babies, so do we need brain transplants for considering you patriots?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/b-47-rato_zpsbb062945.jpg~original
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/CMSF/600px-Shield_Strategic_Air_Command_zpsbaa9c8c3.jpg~original


Yeah...you should.

"Patriot" should be reserved for very special people.

The guys in SAC were doing their jobs.

Zimmerman was being a cop wanna-be...and ended up being a guy who needlessly shot and killed a young man.

To call him a "patriot" does a huge disservice to people who truly are.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:41 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
All things considered, Bill, you ought never to question anyone else's intelligence, common sense, or logic.


This from the idiot that kept stating that you can give credit to any belief you care to such as the tooth fairy to a god due to not being any to disprove a negative.


All things considered, Bill...you ought never to question the intelligence, common sense, or logic of anyone else.
BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:43 am
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman#Move_to_Retreat_at_Twin_Lakes_in_Sanford

Zimmerman married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist in 2007 and, two years later, they rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had also previously been employed at a car dealership and a mortgage audit firm.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:44 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Cicerone said: The interesting part of all this is that even Zimmerman was a visitor to that community. He actually lived with his mother in Miami.

So what? Frank Apisa came all the way from America to defend Britain against the Russkis with his B-47 bombers, bless his heart (sniffle)


I was indeed fortunate to be stationed in the UK during my time in service. It was a great place...a place I still long for...a place that still comes into my dreams from time to time.

I was doing my job...part of my military obligation, but I am grateful that it included the stay in the UK.
firefly
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
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All things considered, Bill...you ought never to question the intelligence, common sense, or logic of anyone else.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1092257/applause-o.gif

He's too dumb to even be able to realize what he doesn't know, and what he doesn't understand, and too closed-minded to even want to find out.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:49 am
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Frank Apisa said: ..Zimmerman was being a cop wanna-be...and ended up being a guy who needlessly shot and killed a young man..

If a 5ft 11" black dood is sitting on you pounding you in the face, you have NO CHOICE but to defend yourself, and the jury knew it..Smile
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:54 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Frank Apisa said: ..Zimmerman was being a cop wanna-be...and ended up being a guy who needlessly shot and killed a young man..

If a 5ft 11" black dood is sitting on you pounding you in the face, you have NO CHOICE but to defend yourself, and the jury knew it..Smile



If he had stuck to the rules of Neighborhood Watch...and if he had heeded the words of the 911 operator...he would not have continued to stalk Martin...and the confrontation would not have occurred.

The killing of Trayvon Martin was needless...a travesty, actually. And a tragedy.

People like you and Bill who cannot empathize with the young man and his family should disgust yourselves...as well as most of the others of us out here.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 10:54 am
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Frank Apisa said: I was indeed fortunate to be stationed in the UK during my time in service. It was a great place..a place that still comes into my dreams from time to time.

Good for you mate, you're a born warrior like Zimmy..Smile
"In my dreams I hear again the crash of guns, the rattle of musketry, the strange, mournful mutter of the battlefield"
-Gen Douglas MacArthur
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 11:00 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Frank Apisa said: I was indeed fortunate to be stationed in the UK during my time in service. It was a great place..a place that still comes into my dreams from time to time.

Good for you mate, you're a born warrior like Zimmy..Smile
"In my dreams I hear again the crash of guns, the rattle of musketry, the strange, mournful mutter of the battlefield"
-Gen Douglas MacArthur



I am a human male...and I share that trait with Zimmerman. As for his "warrior" status...I consider him an out-of-control person looking to have police powers. I hope he never gets them (and fully expect he never will), because he seem the kind of person who would abuse them.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 11:03 am
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Frank Apisa said: @RF- People like you and Bill who cannot empathize with the young man and his family should disgust yourselves...as well as most of the others of us out here.

When Martin jumped on Zimmy and started beating him to a pulp, he lost any right to sympathy..Wink
PS: As a --ahem-- PC wargaming champion, newcomers sometimes challenge me and inevitably get their asses busted, but I do have sympathy and say to them "I'm sorry but you were trying to kill me".
Maybe Zim said that to the kid, or at least thought it in his mind..
firefly
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 11:10 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
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If a 5ft 11" black dood is sitting on you pounding you in the face, you have NO CHOICE but to defend yourself, and the jury knew it...

All you're doing with the crap you're posting is proving this was a racially motivated killing, because you're emphasizing Martin's race as a factor in his death.

The "black dood" had done absolutely nothing to justify being stalked in the dark by Zimmerman, he wasn't doing anything wrong...and he had a right to be there, and a right to walk around undisturbed, and unthreatened by anyone.

If Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car, and stalked the "black dood" there was no way he would have wound up under him, you moron.

Martin didn't go after Zimmerman, he was minding his own business and on his way back from the store. Zimmerman went after him.

If Zimmerman thinks the way you do, he should be charged with a federal hate crime, so you're hardly doing him a favor.

 

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