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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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Rockhead
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:35 pm
@wmwcjr,
if that poor fellow had carried a gun, he would never have been bitten...

(course whitey wouldn't have allowed that either...)
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
She didn't admit she "cooked up" any story. She just signed an affidavit to drop the charges because she says Zimmerman is still her boy friend.

BIG DIFFERENCE! But you wouldn't know anything about that!
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
She didn't admit she "cooked up" any story. She just signed an affidavit to drop the charges because she says Zimmerman is still her boy friend.


Sorry but she said that he never threaten her with the shotgun and that the police had pressure her to make untruthful or at least incorrect statements.

Next if he does not go on with his plans to leave for Texas without her he is a fool no matter what her desires happen to be.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:46 pm
@BillRM,
The police forced her to lie? Please provide credible evidence of this.

I guess the injury to his father-in-law were all lies too~!

One important sentence you left out from the new's report.
Quote:
Prosecutors could continue with the case despite Scheibe's request.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
she didn't admit she "cooked up" any story. She just signed an affidavit to drop the charges because she says Zimmerman is still her boy friend.


Oh of course she cook up the whole matter over him leaving her as if she was in any real fear that he would used a shotgun on her she would not had stood in her front yard waiting for the police being a perfect target for a shotgun blast.

An god I hope he is not so insane as to get back with her after pulling that type of trick.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The police forced her to lie? Please provide credible evidence of this.


Not my claim it is her claim my friend.............LOL
BillRM
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Prosecutors could continue with the case despite Scheibe's request.


Yes indeed with both of them saying he did not threaten her and no other witness I am sure they can go forward as you do still need some proof of a man wrong doing to get a conviction.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Who's lying here?
Quote:
Girlfriend to deputies: George Zimmerman pointed a shotgun at me
He's to appear in court Tuesday at 1:30 p.m.
George Zimmerman was arrested by Seminole County deputies on Monday, Nov. 18, 2013.
George Zimmerman was arrested by Seminole County deputies…
November 18, 2013|By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
George Zimmerman was arrested Monday after he cocked and pointed a shotgun at his girlfriend, shattered a glass-top table, then pushed her out of the house and barricaded himself inside after she ordered him to move out, according to the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.

He surrendered peacefully a few minutes later and was hauled off to jail,
where he was being held without bail on domestic-violence and aggravated-assault charges.

It was the second time in three months that the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer, who was acquitted of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, was handcuffed after being accused of domestic violence and threatening a woman with a gun.


I believe this news report over whatever you may wish to claim.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:57 pm
@BillRM,
If it's her claim, show us where she said that?

You,
Quote:
Not my claim it is her claim my friend.


I'm not your friend.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
She didn't admit she "cooked up" any story
had I said that she admitted it this would be a problem

Quote:
She just signed an affidavit to drop the charges because she says Zimmerman is still her boy friend.
the main "because" is that the accusation is not true. a secondary one is that the state misrepresented her words.
wmwcjr
 
  4  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:13 pm
@Rockhead,
Later that same year, I was bitten by a copperhead. I was taken to the same clinic where the black Korean War veteran had been turned away. Needless to say, my snakebite was treated immediately. (Incidentally, unlike today, the treatment was quite painful.) I knew nothing about race relations at that time; so, I wondered why I was given treatment but our yardman was turned away.
Rockhead
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:20 pm
@wmwcjr,
those were ugly times.

dave remembers them fondly...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:24 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:
Good grief, David. What do you call fanatical support of Jim Crow? When I was nine or ten years old in 1960, a black combat Korean War veteran who was working for my parents as a yardman was bitten one day by a cottonmouth in our backyard. He was denied treatment at the nearest clinic because of his race, even though he had served our country.


Personally you're one of the nicest members of A2K; but I have to ask you this question:
Is this the sort of personal freedom you're speaking of?
The freedom of hospitals to reject patients ??
I have not spent much time considering the freedom
of hospitals to reject. IF a public hospital is involved,
then I will not advocate any freedom for it.

As to private citizens: thay retain all freedom that thay have not
voluntarily relinquished in the creation of a government.

I support laissez faire free enterprize;
i.e., if I fall and break a bone I have NO RIGHT to extort assistance.
Anyone of whom I demand assistance (other than public hospitals)
is perfectly within his rights to tell me to go to hell and leave him alone.

For me to have a viable, justiciable cause of action against him,
I must be able to prove that he had a specific duty to assist me.

IF I approach a private citizen or a group of private citizens
demanding their assistance, thay will be perfectly within their moral rights
and their legal rights (depending on the jurisdiction)
to reject my application for ANY reason that is satisfactory to them, or for NO reason.
If I perish as a result, then that 's my tuff luck,
but I will fight for their freedom to reject me, while yet I remain alive.
Freedom is more important than life.





David
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BillRM
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I believe this news report over whatever you may wish to claim.


Of course and do you still believe that the word coon was in the 911 Zimmerman/Trayvon tape as reported by the news media at the time?

They have such a record of honest and correct reporting when it come to Zimmerman who would not just take their words for anything..LOL

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BillRM
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
If it's her claim, show us where she said that?


LOL I love it that you hate Zimmerman so badly that you can not read and I just can see a Prosecutor trying to go ahead with charges when there is no one saying he did anything wrong any longer.


Quote:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-girlfriend-drop-charges/story?id=21153527

Scheibe's new affidavit taken Dec. 6 stated, "When I was being questioned by police I felt very intimidated...I believe that the police misinterpreted me and that I may have misspoken about certain facts in my statement to police."

Scheibe wrote that Zimmerman "never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner" and that "I want to be with George.
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firefly
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
The police didn't misrepresent her words--that's what she said in her 911 call.
Quote:
On a 911 call recording released by police after the November 18 incident, a woman can be heard telling authorities: "He's inside my house breaking all my (things) because I asked him to leave."

The woman then says to someone at the house, "I'm doing this again? You just broke my glass table. You just broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the (expletive) out."

A man is heard telling her to calm down, but then she tells the dispatcher that the man just pushed her out of the house and locked the door.


She's now saying
Quote:
But in a signed affidavit filed by Zimmerman's attorney, Jayne Weintraub, Scheibe says Zimmerman "never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner" and claims police misinterpreted her.

"I believe that the police misinterpreted me and that I may have misspoken about certain facts in my statement to the police," she said. "I do not feel that the arrest report accurately recounts what happened."


Quote:
In the court document filed this week, Scheibe accuses police of pressuring her.

"When I was being questioned by police, I felt very intimidated," she said. "I was not allowed to call an attorney nor was I allowed to eat or drink anything for a very long time."

Heather Smith, a spokeswoman for the Seminole County Sheriff's Office, denied that claim.

"As you know, we provided media with the 911 call from Ms. Scheibe, which occurred prior to deputies responding," she said. "Apparently, Ms. Scheibe may have misspoken about the facts of her interview as she had access to her phone and was provided with food."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/



And, just before his court hearing before the judge, Scheibe told the D.A. Zimmerman had tried to choke her the previous week. And that had nothing to do with the statement she gave to the police, or anyone pressuring her.

This whole story is weird.

It will interesting to see what the police will do with her.

And it still doesn't explain why the police found Zimmerman barricaded in the house.

It confirms my feeling that anyone who would become involved with Zimmerman is nuts.

cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:39 pm
@firefly,
Some women stick around with their boyfriend/husband even when they are abused. Can't do much about those women who keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

Filing a false report with the police is a crime.
firefly
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They also have to be sure that she's not dropping the charges because she fears what Zimmerman will do to her.

And they should charge her with filing a false report. But then she has to admit she wasn't being truthful in her 911 call as well, and not being truthful that the police intimidated her.

What would make her think Zimmerman would want to be with her now? Don't forget, he's not supposed to have had any contact of any kind with her since he appeared before the judge.

The whole thing is weird.
BillRM
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Filing a false report with the police is a crime


An when it come to women they almost never never prosecute that crime.

Quote:
Some women stick around with their boyfriend/husband even when they are abused. Can't do much about those women who keep repeating the same mistake over and over.


In this case, Zimmerman was trying to get out the door and not even her lying to him that she was pregnant was slowing him down so she have little to worry about being an "abused" victim in the future by him.
.
firefly
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 06:50 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
In this case, Zimmerman was trying to get out the door ...

Then why did he barricade himself inside the house?

And, why didn't he leave before she made the 911 call?

We haven't heard the whole story on this one.

 

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