The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@JTT,

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@gungasnake,

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Obunga's foreign policy a shambles all over the world, "arab-spring(TM)" government in Egypt forcibly overthrown after people refused to tolerate it, America a laughing stock all over the world, Russians laughing at Bork's request for NSA leaker, and the low-info fools who have visited this calamity on our nation still think they're riding a winning horse.....

Only the names have changed, Gunga. The situation is the same as it always has been.

Consider:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3039274/posts

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Pro-Morsi Wahhabis Vow to Suicide Bomb Everyone Opposed to Them & to Set Christians on Fire

You're telling me that FDR, Ike, and JFK used to support people like that??

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

as a resident he had every right to confront any suspicious person in the area under the motive of public safety,

He also had the obligation to make sure that things did not spin out of control.

Prudent, responsible people call the police and have the police handle it.

Irresponsible, rash people follow and confront "suspicious characters" on their own.

by God that is a geat plan! If we made irresponsibility a crime we could get that prison population up above 50%. we start with Zimmerman being tried outside the law on emotional appeal for the dead black boy and then we get the rest.

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rew Hawkeye
Zimmerman is being tried within the law, after police and prosecutors, exasperated with sharply increased difficulties of getting convictions of clearly guilty perpetrators under the ill-conceived Stand Your Ground law, initiaslloy wasshed their hands of the whole thing. Justified public outrage spurred them to reconsider. there is no question that Zimmerman provoked a confrontation and killed a kid who had done nothing wrong, and would simply have gone home to watch the game on Tv had not Zimmerman and his gun pushed their way in.

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@MontereyJack,

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and killed a kid who had done nothing wrong,

we dont know what happened so we dont know if martin did something wrong, but we do know that unless the state can prove that zimmerman did not fear for his life when he pulled the trigger that zimmerman did nothing criminally wrong.

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Trayvon had done nothing wrong when Zimmerman pushed in and started the confrontation. Zimmerman did do something criminally wrong. At the very least it's called manslaughter. It's only Florida's horribly screwed-up Stand Your Ground law that might let him get away with it.

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@MontereyJack,

zimmerman insured an interaction, we dont know who provoked the confrontation, or if they both did, because we have no witnesses or recordings of it. provoking a criminally unwanted interaction, aka harassing, is covered in florida law, and zimmerman is not charged with that and his actions clearly did not meet the statutory requirement for the charge. what we are seeing here is your desire for vigilante justice outside of the law. you keep trying to make zimmerman criminally guilty for acts which florida law clearly says are not criminal acts.

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On the contrary. Florida law has an extremely low bar for wqhen someone can feel threatened and take action, even fatal action (and that threshhold is self-determined and cannot be questioned under the law). that's perhaps an over generalization of what the law says, but that seems to be the way it has in fact played out in Flkorida jurisprudence. Which means Trayvon was within his rights to attack Zimmerman, whom he felt threatened by, even though in fact it looks like the attack came FROM Zimmerman not ON him.

It's a little odd you would think trying Zimmerman is vigilante justice, since vigilante "justice" is clearly what he meted out on Trayvon. And the reason vigilante "justice" is outlawed, except in Florida is that it isn't justice at all., but one man acting as judge, jury, and executioner and then not having to answer for his unilateral actions, criminally wrong though they may be.

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@MontereyJack,

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Trayvon had done nothing wrong when Zimmerman pushed in and started the confrontation...

Bullshit. Zimmerman did not start the confrontation. For the confrontation to have occurred at all, Martin had to have doubled back at some point. He could easily have simply continued on his way home and gotten there before Zimmerman had any hope of catching up to him.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Rockhead wrote:
Why was Trayvon Martin suspicious?

he was black...
He also looked like he was casing some houses.

You mean it's illegal to look at houses when you walk by them? Who knew?

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@hawkeye10,

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by God that is a geat plan! If we made irresponsibility a crime we could get that prison population up above 50%. we start with Zimmerman being tried outside the law on emotional appeal for the dead black boy and then we get the rest.

Actually it is a crime to be irresponsible and cause the death of someone. Lot's of people go to jail for that.

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Martin's mother is on the witness stand...

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@OmSigDAVID,

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O, really??
U mean that Zimmy had a duty to make sure that Martin
did not attack him, while Zimmy was exercising his rights of free speech??
What was the SOURCE of that putative duty??

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2198/2274751262_df3b00a2c3.jpg

1. You're assuming facts not in evidence. We have only Zimmerman's testimony that Martin was the aggressor, and Zimmerman has shown himself willing to lie at the drop of a hat if he thinks it will benefit him.
2. He was a neighborhood watch member. His obligation is to monitor and report.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
Prudent, responsible people call the police and have the police handle it.
Zimmy did that.

Liar. He called the police. He did not let the police handle it.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
Irresponsible, rash people follow and confront "suspicious characters" on their own.
Maybe; so also do responsible folks,
if such be their choice (to exercise their rights).

Not every right needs to be exercised.

When you do exercise your rights, be prepared to take responsibility for the outcome.

I realize that you feel the need to justify every use of a firearm, because you're terrified that someday you might pull a Zimmerman. You're still wrong, though.

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@hawkeye10,

Don't be more of an idiot than you have to be. Constructing a ridiculous strawman like that is just stupid.

I said that if you act irresponsibly, be prepared to accept the consequences. In this case, Zimmerman decided to wave his dick around and ended up killing someone. Now he's paying the piper.

Anyone who defends that kind of idiocy is also an idiot. Of course, you're in the good company of David and Gunga.

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@parados,

Goes to show how far they'll go to accuse Martin of a crime - where there are none! It's now a crime for a kid to look at houses. What extreme! How STUPID!

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@DrewDad,

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Don't be more of an idiot than you have to be. Constructing a ridiculous strawman like that is just stupid.

I said that if you act irresponsibly, be prepared to accept the consequences. In this case, Zimmerman decided to wave his dick around and ended up killing someone. Now he's paying the piper.

that is the theory that is used to ring up people for manslaughter charges after they bully someone who later decides to kill themselves. it however is unjust, as the person who did the killing is the one who is responsible for the death. you it seems are only interested that someone pays, I am more exacting, I want those who pay to be the ones who do the actual owing. I want justice instead of the revenge that is all the rage today.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

that is the theory that is used to ring up people for manslaughter charges after they bully someone who later decides to kill themselves.

Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Go flash your red herring somewhere else.

(You are invited to start a topic on it.)

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
that is the theory that is used to ring up people for manslaughter charges after they bully someone who later decides to kill themselves.

Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Go flash your red herring somewhere else.

(You are invited to start a topic on it.)

I am just following your line of reasoning and showing
where it goes. but I demand that zimmerman be treated on the basis of his actions, martin deciding to attack zimmerman does not make zimmermans actions more wrong according to justice just as a victim killing themselves does not make bullying more wrong. under florida law unless the state can prove that zimmerman is lying he must be treated as if this encounter ended with a hug....if he was not wrong in going up to martin with that ending then he was nit wrong with the ending we got. there was no depraved indifference because zimmerman could not forsee an attack nor is he responsible for it, and under florida law we must assume that he was attacked because the state can not prove otherwise.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I am just following your line of reasoning and showing
where it goes.

Your reducto ad absurdum is pretty absurd. I do not buy your premise that police overreach in a few cases means that police are always overreaching.

Are you really this dumb, or are you one of those people who assumes he's the cleverest guy around and nobody will catch on to the snow job?

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@hawkeye10,

You have no "line of reasoning." You use your own interpretation of events that contradicts what the witnesses in court have already testified to.

You're a bigot and a dork; a worthless POS without any sense of humility or humanity.

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@hawkeye10,

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I am just following your line of reasoning and showing
where it goes

Actually, you are following YOUR line of reasoning which went off the rails before it ever got started.
We don't put people in jail for irresponsibility. We do put them in jail when their irresponsibility ends up injuring or killing someone. But you didn't let your slippery slope argument stop there. You decided to double down by arguing that bullies aren't responsible for their actions. I suppose it means we have to absolve you of your stupid arguments that you aren't responsible enough to manufacture in a logical fashion.

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