You've been cluttering up this thread with pictures of men's asses mate, can't you go to a gay forum if you like that sort of thing?.
LOL and if Firefly think that air rifles are off tropic and given that poor Zimmerman is once more now a sitting duck for all those people who has issue death threats thank to all his firearms being taken...............
Maybe we should begin taking up a collection to buy a large cal modern air rifle from a 357 to a 50 cal for Zimmerman to have in his home. They run slightly over a thousand dollars or at least the one 357 hunting rifle I am thinking of.
Not a firearm under Florida law so not cover by any order removing of all of his so call stockpile of five guns but far more powerful then the gun he used to killed Trayvon in self defense that night.
Keeping him alive until he can get his day in court over the self serving charges of his ex-girlfriend would be useful.
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OmSigDAVID
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:44 am
What happened to EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS ???
David
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Frank Apisa
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 07:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
firefly wrote:
The fact that you can think of other methods of causing mass killings is entirely beside the point.
It's also beside the point of whether guns should be in the possession of those who are mentally ill, and/or emotionally disturbed, particularly when these individuals have already shown evidence of impulsivity, and the irresponsible and inappropriate use of guns to threaten and intimidate others.
It seems to me that when mass shootings have occurred, you've blamed the mental health system, or those close to the shooter, for not recognizing these individuals beforehand.
In the case of Zimmerman, we do have a number of people complaining they are fearful of him, and that he has used guns, or threats of using them, to terrorize them, in situations not involving any self defense on his part, as well as a Chief of Police who has characterized him as a "ticking time bomb" and another "Aurora or Sandy Hook waiting to happen." And then a stockpile of weapons, which could certainly be used for a mass attack, are subsequently found in his possession...
Frank Apisa wrote:
It is amazing, Firefly, that so many "defenders" of the 2nd Amendment are unwilling to see behavior of the sort Zimmerman is exhibiting as a reason to refuse him the right to own guns. They honestly do think a person has to massacre a bunch of people before that person should be considered unfit for gun ownership.
It is NOT "amzing", in light of the fact
that discrimination is un-Constitutional and gun control
can only be accomplished by USURPATION of power
because government has no authority to interfere
in personal defensive armament, in contemplation
of equal protection of the laws, the same as it has
no jurisdiction to MAKE u go to Church, if u don t wanna go.
Got the idea???????
Yeah. It is amazing that you cannot get the idea that it is amazing that so many of you 2nd Amendment "defenders" cannot see that conduct such as being displayed by Zimmerman should be cause for concern about gun ownership.
Jeez!
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Frank Apisa wrote:
Oh well...that's part of the reason so much of the rest of the world consider us...
the United States...to be a country in chaos.
cannot see that conduct such as being displayed by Zimmerman should be cause for concern about gun ownership.
What conduct as a jury had found his conduct in relationship to dealing with Trayvon attack legal and unsupported claims of women with reasons to libel him without any thing proven is kind of beside the point.
Come back to me if a court would find he had done anything wrong.
cannot see that conduct such as being displayed by Zimmerman should be cause for concern about gun ownership.
What conduct as a jury had found his conduct in relationship to dealing with Trayvon attack legal and unsupported claims of women with reasons to libel him without any thing proven is kind of beside the point.
Come back to me if a court would find he had done anything wrong.
Yeah...I'll be sure to come back to you after a court finds he did something wrong...or after he kills a couple more people.
If a man has proven himself to be an INTOLERABLE THREAT
by the history of his recidivant criminal violence whereof he has been duly convicted,
then he shud be isolated from contact with the decent people, upon the basis
of his convictions (e.g., robbery or other repeated violent crime),
not on the basis of his property. Everyone has an equal right to self defense.
If a man has proven himself to be an INTOLERABLE THREAT
by the history of his recidivant criminal violence whereof he has been duly convicted,
then he shud be isolated from contact with the decent people, upon the basis
of his convictions (e.g., robbery or other repeated violent crime),
not on the basis of his property. Everyone has an equal right to self defense.
David
In other words, everyone has a right to first slaughter a bunch of people...or at least commit serious crimes...before we look at his right to own weapons.
Yeah...that's what I thought you guys were saying.
And it amazes me.
But some of you have to defend the right of people to own weapons regardless of how silly unrestricted ownership actually is.
Zimmerman, by his conduct, shows himself to be a poor candidate for gun ownership.
Didn't the judge require him to turn over his weapons as part of the bail agreement?
All countries "count", David. All of 'em. That's HOW!
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Frank Apisa
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 09:21 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Is there no end to this???
when there is an end to human nature
I think we may finally have reached an issue of agreement, David.
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BillRM
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 10:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Yeah...I'll be sure to come back to you after a court finds he did something wrong...or after he kills a couple more people
No problem at all if he kill a few more people as long as it was done in self defense as his killing of Trayvon happen to had been.
Too bad you can not tell the difference between killings in self defense and other types of killings.
PS Given how many thousands had threaten his life he surely might find himself in another kill or be kill situation.
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BillRM
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 10:50 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Didn't the judge require him to turn over his weapons as part of the bail agreement?
So that is standard when charge with a felony or any charge felony or not that have anything to do with domestic violence when you are out on bail it say nothing about any decision on his fitness to own firearms by a court.
In the case of Zimmerman with so many people who had threatened to killed him it placed him in great danger.
Talk about myopia, you suffer greatly from it! According to your world view, Zimmerman is the only one who must be protected - even after he killed a 17 year old kid with a gun, and threatened his wife and girlfriend.
Your brain is calcified; you should seek mental help.
even after he killed a 17 year old kid with a gun, and threatened his wife and girlfriend
Once more a jury found he killed Trayvon in legal self defense and a claimed of threatening anyone is just that a claim until proven in a court of law!!!!!!!!!
Of course women would never never lied about any such thing but unfortunately I happen to know from my own short term first marriage in the early 1980s that some women will indeed lied under oath about such matters.
It took me over twenty-five years before I could bring myself to trust any woman enough to married her after that!!!!!
"Legal self defense" in this case is fiction; there was no need to kill Martin. Zimmerman followed this young man with his own belief that Martin was up to no good. What transpired was not necessary, because Zimmerman was the one who pursued Martin without any "legal or ethical reason." He was a kid walking home from the store.
You are blinded by your own interpretation of events. As a neighborhood watch member, they're not supposed to carry a gun, but to report any suspicious incidents to the police, and not get involved. He broke both rules, and killed a kid.
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BillRM
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 11:23 am
@RABEL222,
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Can you prove this statement? Or is this just more of your strawman garbage in an attempt to change the tone of this topic?
Can I prove what statement?
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coldjoint
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 11:38 am
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Zimmerman was the one who pursued Martin without any "legal or ethical reason."
I guess the increasing crime in the area is no reason. Idiot.
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firefly
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 11:51 am
@Frank Apisa,
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it is amazing that so many of you 2nd Amendment "defenders" cannot see that conduct such as being displayed by Zimmerman should be cause for concern about gun ownership.
These 2nd Amendment "defenders" seem to be referring to their own version of the Amendment, and not the view of it as seen by Justice Scalia...
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Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
There is no Constitutional "right" of the mentally ill to possess firearms.
Zimmerman's behavior, certainly since his acquittal, suggests he is mentally ill, and that his functioning has deteriorated in the past several months, according to those closest to him. And, I think it's fairly safe to say, the public has seen only the tip of the iceberg with him, the actions that led to his police involvements. We don't know what else might be going on in private that might reveal even more disturbing behavior. Certainly his recently discovered stockpile of guns, in the context of everything else, gives us a glimpse of that.
According to his estranged wife he is "unraveling", according to his friend Frank Taaffe he has PTSD, according to his girlfriend he has been deeply depressed, voicing suicidal ideation and making suicidal gestures, and behaving toward her in ways that have her in fear of him, his former lawyer, Mark O'Mara, recently said he is very worried about him and hopes he gets counseling, and even a Chief of Police has referred to him as a "ticking time bomb."
The kind of conduct that Zimmerman has been displaying, particularly in relationship to guns, or threatened gun use, should be cause for concern regarding his legal right to possess guns.
Even those at Fox News, hardly a bastion of liberal sentiment, don't think he should have access to guns.
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The Five: Arrest Proves Zimmerman ‘Much More Dangerous’ Than Trayvon Martin Ever Was
by Matt Wilstein
November 19th, 2013
George Zimmerman’s latest arrest has the hosts of The Five striking a less conciliatory tone towards the acquitted murder suspect than they did during the trial over Trayvon Martin’s death this past summer. Eric Bolling lumped Zimmerman in with a list of “losers” that also included movie producer Harvey Weinstein and Toronto Mayor Rob Ford.
Bob Beckel was the first to denounce Zimmerman’s recent actions, saying, “This just underscores my point about–you allow a gun in the hands of a guy like this, who is psychotic obviously, in my mind it just proves to me once again that he shot and killed a poor teenage kid. And the guy should have been in jail for murder and not been allowed to go out there an terrorize this woman.” He said that when you allow people like Zimmerman have guns, you will find out that “they’re much more dangerous than Trayvon Martin ever was.”
Greg Gutfeld admitted that Zimmerman should no longer have access to guns, but also attacked the media for forcing people to take sides. “Either you’re for Trayvon Martin or you’re for George Zimmerman,” he said.
And Andrea Tantaros added that the fact that Zimmerman would continue to behave violently after everything he went through in the earlier murder trial “points to a larger problem.”
Before ending the segment, Bolling pushed back a bit, saying “what he did yesterday doesn’t have any bearing on what he was accused of doing two years ago.”
“Same person,” Beckel responded. “Same mindset. Same idiot.”
It's not only Zimmerman and guns we should be concerned about, because, as you've already pointed out, we should be concerned about his gun nut supporters in this thread also possessing their weapons, since they apparently can't see anything wrong with the way Zimmerman's been acting since last July, no matter how many red flags he's been waving.
