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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
revelette
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
How many women is it going to take for you guys to believe that he is prone to aggressive behavior if he thinks he can get away with it? With you guys it is always the other person's fault. Pure sickening.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

How many women is it going to take for you guys to believe that he is prone to aggressive behavior if he thinks he can get away with it? With you guys it is always the other person's fault. Pure sickening.
I have seen too many lying aggressive women who do bad stuff and then blame men to be willing to assume that they are telling the truth. I need more than their say so. one very large problem is that these women who make claims against George have known him for many years, have chosen to continue to know him and even live with him over years, and never say anything bad about him till the end. this indicates to me that George is not a constant abuser, that what he have is a guy who does break ups badly, or chooses women who do, or both.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:19 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

How many domestic violence cases are there in a day? This is just another and proves nothing but the truth in this incident alone.

Let's talk about Black on black crime. or fatherless children supported by taxpayers.
To victimize Zimmerman because of the failures of the black family is all this is about.



How banal can you get?
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I have seen too many lying aggressive women who do bad stuff and then blame men to be willing to assume that they are telling the truth. I need more than their say so.
And, this is such a problem Hawkeye, to need more than words is actions caught out and those actions caught out, usually result in death..
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revelette
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
I won't argue your point on " lying aggressive women who do bad stuff and then blame men to be willing to assume that they are telling the truth" as not worth the time to spend with you on it.

He has too big of a track record to be believable by anyone with common sense. Fool me once shame on you, fool twice, shame on me, kind of a thing.
Bentinie
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:55 pm
@revelette,
George Zimmerman seems to be a loose cannon. He pushes his girlfriend out of her house, barricades the door and calmly calls the Police. His girlfriend said "he knows how to play the game with the police." Now all he has to do is set up a web account for his defense. I'll bet he will get lots of green, into the thousands, meybe. Wunder if zimm is an alcoholic besides being a first class asshole.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:56 pm
@revelette,
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Fool me once shame on you, fool twice, shame on me, kind of a thing
this is the same chick who was in the truck during the Shellie Ipod event....she has know him for years and knows all of the stories told about him, so then she lets him move in with her and we are told becomes his girlfriend??!!

She has to be either the stupidest broad around, or George is actually Pathological has Firefly believes. I am certainly interested in George Zimmerman again.
Bentinie
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
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one thing I have noticed is that every time cops deal with Zimmerman they describe him as cooperative and calm. Makes you wonder why his women claim he is so different towards them.


Could be zimm is a coward. Likes to show his macho image with the women by smacking them around. When real cops come on the scene he becomes docile, downright timid.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 03:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
But, he rings 911 as well and claims she is throwing all his stuff out and that he just "wants to get the truth out"... Sound familiar? Pathological sounds correct to me...

Quote:
Schott then ruled there was probable cause to charge Zimmerman with assault and set a Jan. 7 court date. He also set bail at $9,000 after the short-fused suspect's lawyer described him as "indigent" and about $2.5 million in debt.

The judge also ordered Zimmerman fitted with an electronic ankle bracelet — and told him stay away from Scheibe.

"Yes, your honor," said Zimmerman, who did not enter a plea.


I wouldn't imagine he would have been fitted with an electronic ankle bracelet if the Judge didn't think there was some weight there from the women...
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 03:24 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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I wouldn't imagine he would have been fitted with an electronic ankle bracelet if the Judge didn't think there was some weight there from the women...


Touché!
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 03:28 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
But, he rings 911 as well and claims she is throwing all his stuff out and that he just "wants to get the truth out"... Sound familiar? Pathological sounds correct to me...
the call was bizarre, and is troubling.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 04:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
super interesting is this claim that GF is pregnant. George would have no reason to lie about something that is so easy to establish. this indicates that GF was at least lieing, and maybe trying to manipulate george.
Bentinie
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 05:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
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this indicates that GF was at least lieing, and maybe trying to manipulate george.


The lawyers answered this question about the GF's pregnancy today. There is no pregnancy. Zimm lied. It was on CNN when the question was asked by a reporter if the GF was pregnant. "No" was the decisive answer to the question.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 06:09 pm
@Bentinie,
I know she claims she is not preggers, I am betting that she told him she was and that she did so with no good motives. I will be watching to see how this plays out.
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spendius
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 06:12 pm
This thread seems to me to be concerned with the difficulties of the racial question in relation to the "all men are born equal" mantra.
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ossobuco
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 06:13 pm
<I got over my waiting period>
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firefly
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 07:58 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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I wouldn't imagine he would have been fitted with an electronic ankle bracelet if the Judge didn't think there was some weight there from the women...

Well, the judge found support for the current charges against Zimmerman.

The electronic ankle bracelet helps to keep him away from her, and it also helps to keep him from jumping bail and skipping town--there was an issue about the whereabouts of his passport.

The last time he was out on bail, he did remove the ankle monitor--once--allegedly so he could buy flowers for his wife Shellie. He might have done it for other reasons--like to see how fast the police would respond if it was removed.

I really think he will kill himself, or get himself killed, before this is over. In court today, they mentioned his gf said he has been making suicide threats, and saying that he has nothing to live for. His ex-fiancée had also said he was threatening suicide when she got a restraining order against him several years ago, so this just isn't about his problems stemming from killing Trayvon Martin, although his prospects are certainly bleak right now.

If he has any sense, and any desire to go on living, he should seek psychiatric treatment ASAP. Otherwise I think he'll have a tragic end, in the not too distant future, and I just hope he doesn't cause other deaths in the process.

firefly
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 08:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
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one very large problem is that these women who make claims against George have known him for many years, have chosen to continue to know him and even live with him over years, and never say anything bad about him till the end. this indicates to me that George is not a constant abuser, that what he have is a guy who does break ups badly, or chooses women who do, or both.

What difference does it make whether he's a constant abuser, or whether his aggression, and need to control, escalates during breakups? A woman is more likely to get killed when she tries to separate from a controlling domestic partner. He didn't own a gun when his ex-fiancée got a restraining order against him, but now, within two months, both his estranged wife and current girlfriend have alleged he threatened them with a gun. That's going beyond taking break-ups "badly"--he's trying to terrorize them. That sort of threat has to be taken very seriously.

And the killing of Trayvon Martin occurred the day after his wife walked out on him after a bad argument. We'll never know how much that affected his anger, and his need to control, when he spotted Martin that night. Martin may well have been the victim of Zimmerman's pathology, the same sort he's displayed recently toward his wife and girlfriend, using a gun as a threat. That's why I believe that Zimmerman indicated he had a gun, or actually revealed his gun, when he confronted Martin, and that what ensued between them was a struggle over the gun, with Martin trying to defend his own life. That's Zimmerman's pattern.
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I have seen too many lying aggressive women who do bad stuff and then blame men to be willing to assume that they are telling the truth...

Shellie Zimmerman doesn't seem like that kind of woman. She stood by him when they were in hiding and during his trial, and she took a perjury rap for him. That sounds like a pretty loyal wife. She really didn't do "bad stuff" to him, other than decide to divorce him, and to give interviews describing her own feelings about him. She's entitled to do those things. But his threatening actions toward her increased after that, including the day she made her 911 call. He did have guns with him that day, and there is video of him destroying her ipad, which may have contained evidence which could have incriminated him and led to his arrest. So, she wasn't apparently making things up. She really doesn't have to.

Now that Shellie finally found her husband, she was able to have him served with divorce papers yesterday....



coldjoint
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 09:26 pm
@firefly,
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Now that Shellie finally found her husband, she was able to have him served with divorce papers yesterday....


Just like the soap operas.
oralloy
 
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Tue 19 Nov, 2013 09:44 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
oralloy wrote:
MontereyJack wrote:
Zimmerman was far from the confrontation site when talkjing to the dispatcher.

No, when the dispatcher advised Mr. Zimmerman that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon, he was at the same location where, some three minutes later, the confrontation/shooting occurred.

You have some sort of magical GPS that tells you this, that no one else has?

What I have is the same timeline that is available to everyone else.

I'm just paying attention to what that timeline clearly shows.


MontereyJack wrote:
No. The fact remains that Zimmerman stalked Trayvon, who was totally innocently simply returning home, and killed him.

That is anything but a fact. You are glossing over Trayvon getting ready to take PCP, Trayvon getting ready to break into neighborhood homes once he was high on PCP, and most importantly, Trayvon doubling back to Mr. Zimmerman and then violently assaulting him.


MontereyJack wrote:
The more we see of Zimmerman, and this latest incident reinforces it, is that he's prone to agressive confrontation. And it all too often includes agressive use of guns.

Your lynch-mob mentality is horrendous.
 

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