The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@oralloy,

Yeah and Zimmerman got a roasting in survival forums by lots of people who say he should never have been stupid enough to have got himself into the position of being flat on his back with a black on top of him in the first place.. Wink

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@oralloy,

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Personally I would just chalk any "I told you so" nonsense up to idiotic babbling. Not really annoying other than the time wasted paying attention to it.

Well, at the moment, he's charged with felony assault, as well as two misdemeanors.

That's not anyone's idea of "idiotic babbling"--he's actually been arrested, oralloy.

This is the third woman, since 2005, who has accused him of domestic violence. And the second, in under 3 months, to accuse him of being threatening with a gun, or engaging in acts which indictated he might use a gun against her.

We'll see what happens in court tomorrow...

It's hard to believe that he didn't reach for his gun when he confronted Trayvon Martin, and that's why Martin punched him, in self-defense. I think the alleged "altercation" was a struggle over the gun, which was already in Zimmerman's hand. That's why Zimmerman never fought back, and Zimmerman didn't have any injuries beyond a single blow to the nose--it wasn't a "fight" and no one was getting "beaten"--it was a struggle over the gun because Martin was trying to defend his own life from this armed stranger who had stalked him in the dark and then, either reached for his gun, or actually pulled a gun on him, to try to detain Martin and not let this one "get away".

Given what's gone on with him since his acquittal, I bet that jury is having second thoughts about their verdict.

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I hear Zimmerman is going to change his name to Ben Ghazi. That way the media and government will leave him alone.

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@firefly,

are u frigging kidding me! under the law there was no way to find him guilty for the Martin killing, I hope to god that tonight the jury is saying to themselves " we followed the law".

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The jury, remember, thought that Zimmerman "got away with murder", but they couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, since he killed Trayvon, who was the only other witness. That's a juror's words, not mine.

So, let's see, Zimmerman's not even divorced, and already he's living with another woman, has apparently been living with her for at least a month, has already had a heated argument with her and threatened her with a shotgun, pushed her out of what seems to have been her own house, and barricaded the door with furniture, which the cops had to push back to get inside.

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APOPKA, Fla. — George Zimmerman was charged Monday with assault after deputies were called to the home where he lived with his girlfriend, who claimed he pointed a shotgun at her during an argument, authorities said.

Zimmerman pushed the woman out of the house and barricaded the door with furniture, Chief Deputy Dennis Lemma said at a news conference hours after the arrest. The girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, provided deputies with a key to the home and they were able to push the door that had been barricaded.

Three women in a row have charged him with domestic violence. And he killed an unarmed kid in between. Do we detect a pattern here? And this is the guy that OmSigDavid considers a credit to his community? Not a credit to any community I'd care to live in.

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@MontereyJack,

The fact that we spend so much time on this piddly **** that concerns law enforcement not us, is very telling.

We have a Congress that does nothing, a president who lies and millions of useful idiots more concerned with the death of a black punk. Priorities are called that for a reason.

Zimmerman is unimportant.

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@coldjoint,

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Zimmerman is unimportant.

So why are you reading this thread?

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oralloy's timeline is wrong. From the time he got off the phone with the dispatcher to the murder was only about three minnutes, and he was about a block away when he got off the phone. It would have taken him a couple minutes to get to the scene of the shooting, which was in the middle of the residential block where Trayvon was living. Zimmerman said he the cops should meet him at his truck, but he never headed back to the truck, but stayed for a minute or so at most where Trayvon had left. Trayvon's friend was talking to him when Zimmerman approached him, you don't hide in bushes and talk on the phone, as Z claimed T was doing. Zimmermanh's story, is shot through with more holes than he put in Trayvon He maintained T pounded his head repeatedly on the sidewalk, yot there was NO DNA from Zimmerman on Trayvon's hands or his clothes. Hard to pound someone's head repeatedly and get absolutely NO genetic evidence on your hands. The story you heard overseas, Romeo, was Zimmerman's self-serving version of what happened, which is a far cry from what the actual evidence shows.

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@firefly,

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So why are you reading this thread?

I guess to see how many fools there are posting on it.

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@coldjoint,

Just look in a mirror. Smile

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

oralloy's timeline is wrong.

You wish.

MontereyJack wrote:

From the time he got off the phone with the dispatcher to the murder was only about three minnutes, and he was about a block away when he got off the phone.

Liberals refer to self defense as murder because they hate the Constitution.

MontereyJack wrote:

It would have taken him a couple minutes to get to the scene of the shooting, which was in the middle of the residential block where Trayvon was living.

No it wouldn't. The scene of the shooting was the exact same spot that Mr. Zimmerman was at three minutes earlier when they advised him that following Trayvon was a bad idea.

Since Mr. Zimmerman was already in that spot, it didn't take him any time at all to reach it.

MontereyJack wrote:

Zimmerman said he the cops should meet him at his truck, but he never headed back to the truck, but stayed for a minute or so at most where Trayvon had left.

If Mr. Zimmerman only stayed in that spot for a minute at most, how come he was still in that same spot three minutes later when the shooting happened?

MontereyJack wrote:

Trayvon's friend was talking to him when Zimmerman approached him,

The only place that Mr. Zimmerman approached Trayvon is in your imagination.

I'm sure you have a fine imagination, but I'm more interested in reality.

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oralloy says::

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but I'm more interested in reality.

So why do you always revert to fantasy?

Yes, your timeline is wrong. It's far too long. No, Zimmerman was not there when he talked to the dispatcher. He chased Trayvon well into the backyards of the surrounding houses before he confronted him, and he never retreated to his vehicle. the only ear witness, who didn't have a vested interest (like not being convicted of murder), puts Zimmerman as the confronter and attacker ("Get off of me"). If you look at ALL the data, your case falls apart.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57412417-504083/trayvon-martin-shooting-a-timeline-of-events/

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

If you look at ALL the data, your case falls apart.

I think its safe to say that YOUR case fell apart!

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@MontereyJack,

Zimmerman is always trying to cover his tracks.

Did you hear his 911 call to the police today? Rolling Eyes

He called 911, when the police were already outside of the house, sounding perfectly calm, just so he could accuse his girlfriend of starting the fight, breaking the furniture, etc. He called 911, not because he needed help, but only to a make a PR announcement to broadcast his side of the story. Which, of course, put all the blame on the other person.

The police apparently believed her--they arrested him.

It will be interesting to see what happens when he appears in court.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

So why do you always revert to fantasy?

You're the only one here who is imagining things and then presenting them as if they were true.

MontereyJack wrote:

Yes, your timeline is wrong. It's far too long.

No, there really was a three minute period between "when Mr. Zimmerman was advised that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon" and "when the confrontation/shooting occurred".

MontereyJack wrote:

No, Zimmerman was not there when he talked to the dispatcher.

Yes he was. Mr. Zimmerman's location when the dispatcher advised him that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon, is the same spot where, three minutes later, the confrontation/shooting occurred.

MontereyJack wrote:

He chased Trayvon well into the backyards of the surrounding houses before he confronted him, and he never retreated to his vehicle.

As previously noted, the only place that Mr. Zimmerman confronted Trayvon is in your rather vivid imagination.

I'm sure you have a nice imagination, but I still prefer reality.

MontereyJack wrote:

the only ear witness, who didn't have a vested interest (like not being convicted of murder), puts Zimmerman as the confronter and attacker ("Get off of me").

Your claim that she did not have a vested interest is silly. But that's beside the point. The fact that her story is completely contrary to all the physical evidence renders it a bit unreliable.

MontereyJack wrote:

If you look at ALL the data, your case falls apart.

Perhaps if we include all the data that directly contradicts the physical evidence.

But I doubt you'll find many reasonable people who will want to include data that directly contradicts all the physical evidence.

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You present hypothesis as fact. Zimmerman was far from the confrontation site when talkjing to the dispatcher. No one other than you thinks he was theere. Why didn't he return to his vehicle, as he said the would? As Firefly has repeatedly pointed out, the physical evidence doesn't support Zimmerman's story, and it doesn't, no matter how you try to make it so. No DNA. No wounds consistent with a repeatedly intentionally bashed head. And a cellphone conversation in process as Zimmerman confronts Trayvon. Versus Zimmerman's story, which officers present found hard to credit.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

You present hypothesis as fact.

I present facts as fact.

MontereyJack wrote:

Zimmerman was far from the confrontation site when talkjing to the dispatcher.

No, when the dispatcher advised Mr. Zimmerman that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon, he was at the same location where, some three minutes later, the confrontation/shooting occurred.

MontereyJack wrote:

No one other than you thinks he was theere.

I doubt that's the case. But even if I really were the only one, that wouldn't change the fact that I'm right.

MontereyJack wrote:

Why didn't he return to his vehicle, as he said the would?

Don't know. Doesn't seem terribly relevant.

MontereyJack wrote:

As Firefly has repeatedly pointed out, the physical evidence doesn't support Zimmerman's story, and it doesn't, no matter how you try to make it so.

That's OK. I'm not trying to make the evidence fit his story.

MontereyJack wrote:

No wounds consistent with a repeatedly intentionally bashed head.

Nonsense.

MontereyJack wrote:

And a cellphone conversation in process as Zimmerman confronts Trayvon.

Testimony that directly contradicts physical evidence is not going to somehow become credible no matter how many times you refer to it.

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@oralloy,

Hmm

Right Oraboy!

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@firefly,

Unbelievable this guy, more unbelievable is that people still apparently believe him. I didn't go back through the pages, but I imagine the defense of Zimmerman here by some is still going strong.

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