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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
spendius
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 01:50 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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If a poster is civil with views diametrically opposed to mine I will still engage him. It's when I find a poster who is cynical, narrow-minded, bigoted, narcissistic that I keep my distance.


That's very decent of you MiT. I'm sure everyone admires you for taking such a liberal view.

The only trouble is that you might be defining cynical, narrow-minded, bigoted and narcissistic in a manner that allows you to avoid important diametrically opposed views and, at the same time, to not look as though they test your patience far enough to cause you to keep your distance. Or put earplugs in and stamp your foot and sing All The Nice Girls Love A Sailor at the top of your voice.



A win/win situation.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 02:42 pm
@spendius,
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The only trouble is that you might be defining cynical, narrow-minded, bigoted and narcissistic in a manner that allows you to avoid important diametrically opposed views and, at the same time, to not look as though they test your patience far enough to cause you to keep your distance.


That's one way of defining such, but if you don't mind, I think I'm mature enough to make my own judgement. If one is courteous, civil, then I will return the same. Of course passions will often insert itself but the fundamental respect for each other will remain. I am not overly sensitive....but hey, let's keep to the title of the thread as I do not intend to be the subject.

Have a good evening.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 02:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Bill...what about the people who see Zimmerman as a threat. Shouldn't they be allowed to "stand their ground" so to speak...and rid the planet of this perceived threat.


LOL if he given them reasonable fear by his actions at the time they encounter him of immediate death or great harm then they would more then be in the right to used up to deadly force to protected themselves.

But to gun him down as he walk down the street likely from behind is nothing more or less then murder no matter how they feel about him.

A crime that Zimmerman was found not guilty of due to Trayvon attacking him and placing him by so doing in reasonable fear of death or great harm by jury verdict.


Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:04 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Bill...what about the people who see Zimmerman as a threat. Shouldn't they be allowed to "stand their ground" so to speak...and rid the planet of this perceived threat.


LOL if he given them reasonable fear by his actions at the time they encounter him of immediate death or great harm then they would more then be in the right to used up to deadly force to protected themselves.


Well, Bill, it seems you want to be the arbiter of what constitutes great fear of harm...and I do not see that as appropriate. Some people see Zimmerman as a walking bomb...a deadly menace to society. I am sure most would like to have him under lock and key...in a prison or mental institution...but if that option is taken off the table...what is left?

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But to gun him down as he walk down the street likely from behind is nothing more or less then murder no matter how they feel about him.


I rather suspect most of the people who you see as threatening Zimmerman (I personally do not know anyone doing that)...would just as soon look him in the face when pulling the trigger...as shoot him in the back.

Why do you think "shooting him in the back" would be the choice? If you think the people doing the threatening are cowards...he should have nothing to fear.

And while you would think their actions would be "murder"...many of them probably think what Zimmerman did to Martin was murder.

Kinda tit for tat!


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A crime that Zimmerman was found not guilty of due to Trayvon attacking him and placing him by so doing in reasonable fear of death or great harm by jury verdict.


I think you've mentioned that before...I remember laughing at it.

My guess would be that some of the people who dislike Zimmerman don't really give a damn about what that jury decided.

spendius
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:07 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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but hey, let's keep to the title of the thread as I do not intend to be the subject.


That's probably a good idea. Although I'm not sure "The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial" has much relevance here at this stage. I think both sides consider each other to be narrow-minded, bigoted and narcissistic. I don't suppose any of them are being cynical but it is not impossible.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:09 pm
@Frank Apisa,
By the way having live in the same city as OJ after he was found innocent of killing his ex-wife and her friend in cold, I was still of the opinion that he was a dangerous murderer and yet that would not have given me a right to gun him down should he had cross my path.

Unless he had for some reason threaten my life by attacking me or pointing a gun at me and so on.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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it seems you want to be the arbiter of what constitutes great fear of harm...and I do not see that as appropriate


That what we have courts for and six jurors review the matter and found him innocent.

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Some people see Zimmerman as a walking bomb...a deadly menace to society.


So? That still does not give them a right to killed someone for not his or her actions but for what they think he might do some day or had done after a jury found him innocent.

I had the opinion that OJ was a danger to society but that did not grant me any right to harm him.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
BillRM spends a lot of time criticising the American justice system, he's always banging on about how unfair and unjust it all is. Apart from this particular case that is.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:31 pm
@Frank Apisa,
By the way it would seems that the white community is far more willing to grant respect for a jury verdict that they do not agree with such as the OJ verdict then the black community as in the Zimmerman verdict.

I do not remember any great number of death threats issue against not only OJ but his family, lawyers and the jurors who found him innocent unlike with the Zimmerman verdict.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:33 pm
@izzythepush,
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BillRM spends a lot of time criticising the American justice system, he's always banging on about how unfair and unjust it all is. Apart from this particular case that is.


I was happy over how the justice system brought charges due to public pressures and not the facts?

I was happy it took millions to mount a defense in the case a small part to that cost I wrote a check for?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:41 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

By the way having live in the same city as OJ after he was found innocent of killing his ex-wife and her friend in cold, I was still of the opinion that he was a dangerous murderer and yet that would not have given me a right to gun him down should he had cross my path.

Unless he had for some reason threaten my life by attacking me or pointing a gun at me and so on.


Okay...thank you for sharing that.

But there ARE people who think George Zimmerman presents a clear and present danger to everyone (including themselves)...and simply disagree with your take on things.

Is that kind of disagreement allowed?

And if they do act...they would most likely be tried. And if a jury found them innocent, you would agree that the killing was justified and not murder, right?

And there would be people who would disagree with you...and attempt to exact justice for themselves.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:44 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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it seems you want to be the arbiter of what constitutes great fear of harm...and I do not see that as appropriate


That what we have courts for and six jurors review the matter and found him innocent.


His "innocence" was not what was being discussed with the "arbiter" quote. Read it again.


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Some people see Zimmerman as a walking bomb...a deadly menace to society.


So? That still does not give them a right to killed someone for not his or her actions but for what they think he might do some day or had done after a jury found him innocent.


Well, they may disagree with you on that.

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I had the opinion that OJ was a danger to society but that did not grant me any right to harm him.


Wow, that is wonderful of you. But that is not what we are discussing.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

By the way it would seems that the white community is far more willing to grant respect for a jury verdict that they do not agree with such as the OJ verdict then the black community as in the Zimmerman verdict.

I do not remember any great number of death threats issue against not only OJ but his family, lawyers and the jurors who found him innocent unlike with the Zimmerman verdict.


What could I tell ya?

Some people react differently to different situations.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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But there ARE people who think George Zimmerman presents a clear and present danger to everyone (including themselves)...and simply disagree with your take on things.

Is that kind of disagreement allowed?


They can think anything they care to think however if they try to killed Zimmerman due to that thinking then they will be tied for murder or Zimmerman once more will be able to exercise his right of self defense.

Just as I was free to think that OJ was a dangerous murderer however that thinking did not grant me any rights to harm him.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
An it seems far more blacks are willing to act badly when a jury verdict does not go to their liking then whites.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:49 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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But there ARE people who think George Zimmerman presents a clear and present danger to everyone (including themselves)...and simply disagree with your take on things.

Is that kind of disagreement allowed?


They can think anything they care to think however if they try to killed Zimmerman due to that thinking then they will be tied for murder or Zimmerman once more will be able to exercise his right of self defense.



Fine. Let them be tried (not tied)...or let Zimmerman kill them in self defense.

No problem, right?
RABEL222
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:50 pm
@BillRM,
One time I spent 15 min plugging in and unplugging my computer before I figured the power was off. My first clue was when lightening struck the house.
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:51 pm
@Frank Apisa,
No problem that people are supporting murder on our streets due to them not agreeing with a jury verdict!!!!!!!!!!!!
BillRM
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:53 pm
@RABEL222,
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One time I spent 15 min plugging in and unplugging my computer before I figured the power was off. My first clue was when lightening struck the house.


LOL you and Asimov are soul brothers and I am jealous.
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RABEL222
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:55 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
While I dont enjoy swapping insults I dont mind if someone insults my intelligence. I never thought of myself as the smartest. Only average.
 

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