The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

Here ya go, David, another responsible gun owner in your age cohort acting responsibly with his gun, to preserve himself from ketchup bottles made unopenable by a sadistic wife determined to starve him to death (sarcasm alert);

Guns, however, made the commission of murder easier, quicker, at a greater distance, and on a much wider scale. There's a reason people don't use knives (or long knives) on the battlefield anymore.

And you clearly don't know jackshit about what the Framers intended the Second Amendment for, and what Scalia, speaking for the SCOTUS majority, has said it is and is not.

You might want to note some of the death tolls in pre-gun warfare.

oralloy says:

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You might want to note some of the death tolls in pre-gun warfare.

Name some that compare with the major battles of the American Civil War or WWI, for example.

You don't know jackshit either if you think that.

oralloy wrote:

Wider scale?
You might want to note some of the death tolls in pre-gun warfare.

Name some that compare with the major battles of the American Civil War or WWI, for example.

Don't be stupid, David.

Of course murders were committed before guns were invented.
Guns, however, made the commission of murder easier,
quicker, at a greater distance, and on a much wider scale.

There's a reason people don't use knives (or long knives) on the battlefield anymore.

And very simply, if government didn't exist,
you'd be wearing a badly cured deerskin pelt and gnawing a half-
cooked haunch of badger over a smoky fire in some forest.

Your freedoms are secured by government.

you clearly don't know jackshit about what the Framers intended the Second Amendment for,

and what Scalia, speaking for the SCOTUS majority, has said it is and is not.

Name some that compare with the major battles of the American Civil War or WWI, for example.

http://necrometrics.com/romestat.htm

First Punic War (264 to 241 BCE) 400,000 [make link]
Richard A. Gabriel, The Culture of War: Invention and Early Development, (1990) pp.110-111. “Polybius called this war the bloodiest in history, and it is probable that the loss of life on both sides, most of it Roman, approached four hundred thousand men.”

Second Punic War (218 to 202 BCE) 770,000 [make link]

Theodore Ayrault Dodge, Hannibal: A History of the Art of War Among the Carthaginians and Romans (1891), p.610-611. To the 300,000 Roman battle deaths recorded by the Roman historian Appian (Pun. 20.134), Dodge adds 100,000 disease deaths for the Italian front, and the same again for Spain. His final estimate is 500,000 Roman and 270,000 Carthaginian soldiers dead of all causes.
Will Durant, Caesar and Christ (1944)
Lake Trasimene (217 BCE): "nearly all" in Roman Army of 30,000 killed.
Cannae (216 BCE): 44,000 Romans and 6,000 Carthag. k.
Zama (202 BCE): 20,000 Carth. k.
TOTAL: 300,000 men killed (Appian viii 95)
Cannae (216 BCE): 50,000-70,000 Romans and 6,000 Carthag. k. (Flexner, Pessimist's Guide to History)
Spain (150 BCE)
Galba massacres 8,000 surrendering Lusitani [http://www.ualberta.ca/~csmackay/CLASS_365/Misadmin.html#Galba]
Siege of Carthage (146 BCE)
Population reduced from 500,000 to 55,000 (Durant, Caesar and Christ)
Ben Kiernan, “The First Genocide: Carthage, 146 BC,” Diogenes 203 (2004), pp. 27–39.: 150,000 died in the fall of Carthage.

Name some that compare with the major battles of the American Civil War or WWI, for example.

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/battleswarsto1000/p/cannae.htm


Conflict:

The Battle of Cannae took place during the Second Punic War (218-210 BC) between Rome and Carthage.

Dates:

The battle occurred on August 2, 216 BC at Cannae in southeast Italy.

Commanders & Armies:

Carthage

Hannibal
40,000 heavy infantry, 6,000 light infantry, 8,000 cavalry
Rome

Gaius Terentius Varro
Lucius Aemilius Paullus
87,000 men
Battle Summary:

After the start of the Second Punic War, the Carthaginian general Hannibal boldly crossed the Alps and invaded Italy. Winning battles at Trebia (218 BC) and Lake Trasimene (217 BC), Hannibal moved south plundering the countryside and working to make Rome's allies defect to Carthage's side. In the spring of 216 BC, Hannibal seized the Roman supply depot at Cannae in southeast Italy. With Hannibal sitting astride Rome's supply lines, the Roman Senate called for action. Assembling a massive army of nearly 87,000 men, the Consuls Gaius Terentius Varro and Lucius Aemilius Paullus advanced to face the Carthaginians.

The two armies met along the banks of the Aufidus River on July 31 and began skirmishing. On August 2, Varro and Paullus formed up their army for battle with their infantry densely packed in the center and the cavalry on the wings. The Consuls planned to use the infantry to quickly break the Carthaginian lines. Opposite, Hannibal placed his cavalry and most veteran infantry on the wings and his lighter infantry in the center. As the two sides advanced, Hannibal's center moved forward, causing their line to bow in a crescent shape. On the Hannibal's left, his cavalry charged forward and routed the Roman horse.

To the right, Hannibal's cavalry was engaged with that of Rome's allies. Having destroyed their opposite number on the left, the Carthaginian cavalry rode behind the Roman army and assaulted the allied cavalry from the rear. Under attack from two directions, the allied cavalry fled the field. As the infantry began to engage, Hannibal had his center slowly retreat, while ordering the infantry on the wings to hold their position. The tightly packed Roman infantry continued to advance after the retreating Carthaginians, unaware of the trap that was about to be sprung.

As the Romans were drawn in, Hannibal ordered the infantry on his wings to turn and attack the Roman flanks. This was coupled with a massive assault on the Roman rear by the Carthaginian cavalry, which completely surrounded the Consuls' army. Trapped, the Romans became so compressed that many did not have space to raise their weapons. To speed the victory, Hannibal ordered his men to cut the hamstrings of each Roman and then move on to the next, commenting that the lamed could be slaughtered later at the Carthaginian's leisure. The fighting continued until evening with approximately 600 Romans dying per minute.

Casualties & Impact:

Various accounts of the Battle of Cannae show that 50,000-70,000 of the Romans, with 3,500-4,500 taken prisoner. It is known that approximately 14,000 were able to cut their way out and reach the town of Canusium. Hannibal's army suffered around 6,000 killed and 10,000 wounded. Though encouraged by his officers to march on Rome, Hannibal resisted as he lacked the equipment and supplies for a major siege. While victorious at Cannae, Hannibal would ultimately be defeated at the Battle of Zama (202 BC), and Carthage would lose the Second Punic War.

Roman Battle Links

There are 11 ancient 'battles' that have over 100,000 casualties. Some include starvation, massacre of civilians, and extended sieges. (It also notes actual numbers are not known on most of them. The range on Baghdad casualties goes from 200,000 to 2 million.)

There are 50 modern battles that have over 100,000 casualties.

Clearly guns are much more effective.

There are 11 ancient 'battles' that have over 100,000 casualties. Some include starvation, massacre of civilians, and extended sieges. (It also notes actual numbers are not known on most of them. The range on Baghdad casualties goes from 200,000 to 2 million.)

There are 50 modern battles that have over 100,000 casualties.

Clearly guns are much more effective.

Where in the world is George Zimmerman?
By Graham Winch
September 23, 2013

George Zimmerman is nowhere to be found, according to his estranged wife’s attorney.

Shellie Zimmerman is trying to divorce the man who in July was acquitted in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, but can’t locate Zimmerman to serve him with legal documents.

Zimmerman’s disappearance comes two weeks after police responded to a "domestic altercation" at a Florida home owned by his father-in-law, David Bryant Dean.

Shellie Zimmerman’s attorney, Kelly Sims, told CNN that he isn’t shocked by Zimmerman's disappearance under the circumstances.

“We don’t know where he is, but that’s neither surprising or unusual. I’m sure when the time is right we will serve him, and there is no indication that Mr. Zimmerman is actively avoiding same. A little space and time between the couple just makes sense,” said Sims...
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/09/23/where-world-george-zimmerman

It wouldn't surprise me if, after this latest incident involving the police, he's checked himself into a psych hospital or some sort of rehab facility.

Sources close to George's family tell us they're in contact with him -- and he's safe -- but they don't know exactly where he is. We're told George plans to lay low for the foreseeable future.

George Zimmerman's divorce proceedings are on hold, TMZ has learned ... because he's gone Bigfoot on his wife.