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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 01:35 pm
@firefly,
if they get the video then it was not destroyed so presumably he can only be accused of destruction of an Ithingy but not of evidence. maybe the state of florida uses
one of those funky Firefly Language dictionaries though, one never knows with this aspiring banana republic.
firefly
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 02:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
He can be accused of attempting to destroy evidence.
MontereyJack
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 02:52 pm
As I said, in actual practice, it's not unusual for no arrests to be made

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Many domestic violence cases involve violations, such as Harassment in the Second Degree. Harassment happens when your abuser verbally threatens you with harm, slaps you or pushes you, but doesn't cause an injury. The police must see this happen in order to make an arrest unless you decide to make the complaint yourself, which is called making a civilian arrest. In many areas, the police will help you with this and will actually take your abuser to the police station. In some areas in violation cases, the police will give you information on how to get the court to take some action against him, but will not transport your abuser to the police station or court. If this is not the first time your abuser has threatened you with harm, pushed or shoved you, or if you are afraid of future harm, be sure to tell the police. If your abuser has harassed or threatened you more than once, this may give the police the evidence they need to charge Harassment in the First Degree or Menacing, both misdemeanors. This allows them to make the arrest and take your abuser into custody without you having to make a civilian arrest.



Just like in Florida it's no longer unusual for somebody with a smoking gun to be standing over a dead body and be let off with no arrest, thanks to Stand Your Ground. Kill the only other witness and you're home free. For one of the rare times, you're right, Hawkeye. Florida does look more and more like an aspiring banana republic.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 03:06 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

He can be accused of attempting to destroy evidence.

would you happen to have a statue number to support that assertion? Btw the destruction of evidence statue demands that the state prove that the intent of the violence against evidence was to destroy the evidence so as to make the courts job more difficult. I seriously doubt that the state of florida is going to roll the dice again on another weak case that would ask another jury to make a leap of assumption as to what George intended. george ie going to say that once the soon to be ex decided to use the Ithingy as a weapon against him she was nit going to get it back in one peice, and that this was reasonable, that the so called evidence had nothing to do with it.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 03:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
I see that the state has fired another employee that got in their way on the Zimmerman case.....support the police state or else!

who are these boozos who think that truth and justice is what is wanted by the state?
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BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 03:35 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Just like in Florida it's no longer unusual for somebody with a smoking gun to be standing over a dead body and be let off with no arrest, thanks to Stand Your Ground


You are so full of **** it is pitiful for one little thing SYG had no impact on Zimmerman case as he had no chance to retreat in safety after Trayvon attacked him.

Good old self defense laws with a duty to retreat if possible would not had change one little thing about that case.
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firefly
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 10:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
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george ie going to say that once the soon to be ex decided to use the Ithingy as a weapon against him she was nit going to get it back in one peice, and that this was reasonable, that the so called evidence had nothing to do with it.

George can claim whatever he wants--that doesn't mean he will be believed. There were witnesses to the destruction of the ipad, and to whatever he said immediately prior to, and during, his destruction of the device. And the police have already said they might charge him with destruction of evidence. It will likely depend on whether the images on the device can be retrieved, and what they reveal.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 12 Sep, 2013 11:50 pm
@firefly,
considering that all parties want this matter dropped there is no justification for the state putting up big money to try to get the video. however my education leads me to believe that the feds will do it for free, wholely because The Professor believes that he could have been Travon 20 years ago and he is pissed that the law did not allow for the conviction of Zimmerman in that matter. if this evidence gets collected it will again be a politically propelled mission by the state to get the citizen that they want to get not the seaking of justice....AKA abuse at the hands of the state.
firefly
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 12:11 am
@hawkeye10,
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AKA abuse at the hands of the state

Right, your usual mantra. Laughing

Anytime the state tries to prosecute someone for violating a law, they're "abusing" them in your view.

Don't you think it's abusive to threaten to shoot people--particularly when they know you've already shot and killed someone?

The nonsense of trying to promote George Zimmerman as some sort of innocent victim has gone beyond tiresome. He instigates, and he provokes. Then he claims he's responding "defensively". He did that with Trayvon Martin, and he's still doing it. It's going to catch up with him.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 12:21 am
@firefly,
if the FBI spends $100,000 working evidence in a possible domestic disturbance case that all parties want dropped then Zimmerman will have been abused. there is no justice based rational for the state to take such extreme measures to get a guy for a possible petty crime.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 12:32 am
@hawkeye10,
btw George Zimmerman is not my brother, if he deserves to be the subject of state action then he should be. My complaint is that I am watching a guy be repeatedly abused by the "justice" system and I have a problem with that.
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firefly
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 12:37 am
@hawkeye10,
I'm not inclined to think that threats to shoot people constitute such a "petty crime"--particularly in the case of George Zimmerman. Neither did the police, who responded by sending 8 units to the scene.

And, if law enforcement wants to pursue trying to retrieve evidence of such actions on Zimmerman's part, it will be because they are not comfortable just dropping the matter.

Zimmerman isn't being "abused" and he's no innocent victim. If he had stayed away from the house, as he had agreed to do, none of this would have happened Monday. If he hadn't followed Trayvon Martin, in violation of the rules for a Neighborhood Watch, that teen would still be alive...

Zimmerman violates, and instigates, and provokes, and it creates legal problems for him--he's not being "abused", it's his own behavior that creates those problems for him.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 12:49 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:



And, if law enforcement wants to pursue trying to retrieve evidence of such actions on Zimmerman's part, it will be because they are not comfortable just dropping the matter.




OMG, you are too much....we have been watching an extensive effort by the politicians to overrule and micromanage the justice system professionals when it comes to George, which continued today with the firing of the Martin medical examiner because he refused to say on the stand what prosecutor's wanted him to say. Florida's actions against George have been and continue to be political actions, to include the sending of eight (EIGHT?!) squad cars some of them SWAT to a domestice disturbance. only because of the political nature of Zimmerman due to the Florida politicians having a vendetta against the man does this happen.
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firefly
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 12:56 am
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Florida's actions against George have been and continue to be political actions, to include the sending of eight (EIGHT?!) squad cars some of them SWAT to a domestice disturbance. only because of the political nature of Zimmerman due to the Florida politicians having a vendetta against the man does this happen

There's nothing political about it. That happened because the police take this man's potential for violence very seriously, and his wife sounded extremely frightened when she called 911.
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In Email, Zimmerman’s Local Police Chief Agrees He’s Another ‘Sandy Hook’ Waiting To Happen
By Judd Legum
September 12, 2013

Police Chief Steve Bracknell, who is responsible for the Florida town where George Zimmerman resides, agreed in a series of emails that Zimmerman is a “ticking time bomb” and another “Sandy Hook” waiting to happen.

Bracknell expressed his views in response to two emails from Santiago Rodriguez, who reached Bracknell through a contact form on the police department’s website. Bracknell confirmed the emails’ authenticity to ThinkProgress and subsequently tried to distance himself from the remarks.

Rodriguez’s first email was an extended, and sometimes angry, critique of how the Lake Mary Police Department handled their response to the recent altercation between George Zimmerman, his wife and his father in law. Rodriguez told Bracknell that he had a responsibility to charge Zimmerman because he was another “Sandy Hook… waiting to happen.” Bracknell responded with a detailed defense of the police department’s conduct, but explicitly endorsed Rodriguez’s comments on Sandy Hook.

Asked to elaborate on his email, Bracknell attempted to distance himself from Rodriguez’s comments, saying he did not agree and was “referring to the fact that [Zimmerman] seems to be involved in incidents” involving firearms.

In his second email, Rodriguez called Zimmerman a “ticking time bomb” who will snap “sooner or later.” Again, Bracknell agreed.

The full email exchange between Rodriguez and Bracknell is available here http://www.scribd.com/doc/167674421/Zimmerman-Lake-Mary-Emails.

The police are still deciding whether or not to charge Zimmerman in connection to the incident. They are attempting to recover video of alleged assault that Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie, recorded with her iPad. Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, acknowledged that Zimmerman broke the iPad into pieces before the police arrived. According to witnesses, Zimmerman also punched his father-in-law in the nose.

In her call to 911, Shellie Zimmerman told the police that Zimmerman was threatening her with his gun. “I don’t know what he’s capable of. I’m really, really scared,” Shellie said.

Zimmerman told police at the scene that he did not have a gun, according to Bracknell and a police department spokesman. O’Mara, however, insisted on CNN that he did have a gun on him during the entire incident. Bracknell told ThinkProgress that one of them isn’t “telling the truth.”

What is not in dispute is that Zimmerman, despite his legal troubles and the police chief’s concerns, is still permitted to carry a concealed weapon in the State of Florida. In Florida, unlike other states like New York and New Jersey, authorities have no discretion over whether to grant or revoke concealed carry permits. Dr. Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, recently told Salon, “You’ve got all kinds of George Zimmermans and everything in between there who fall through the cracks of our exclusions. But if you ask any reasonable person how comfortable they are with an individual like that running around with a concealed, loaded gun, the vast majority would say they are not.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/12/2611711/george-zimmermans-local-police-chief-fears-sandy-hook-waiting-happen/


In his e-mail, the Chief of Police also said that the last thing on earth he wants is to have anything to do with the Zimmermans.

It's George Zimmerman who keeps acting in ways that get him involved with the police. The Lake Mary police, who responded Monday, are the same ones who recently gave him a $256 speeding ticket. They're not going after him, he's acting in ways that invite their involvement with him.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 01:06 am
@firefly,
what school did Chief Bracknell take his shrink degree from, and how many hours has he spent examining George?

his entire rant is abuse of George Zimmerman, if he had any evidence to support his opinion George would be on a psychiatric hold some where. but he does not so.instead he maligned a citizen to the media to get his rocks off.

Florida keeps on making themselves look worse, they are an embarrassment to the nation.
firefly
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 01:22 am
@hawkeye10,
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Florida keeps on making themselves look worse...

I don't know about Florida, but Zimmerman certainly keeps making himself look worse.

And the Police Chief's agreement that Zimmerman seems to be a ticking time bomb, seems to be a view shared by those who know him best--his wife and his close friends. And likely Mark O'Mara as well, which is why he's backed away too.

Unfortunately, that's not enough to get an emergency psych hold on Zimmerman--the threat isn't imminent enough.

But no one should really be happy this man is walking around with a gun.
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Retired physician’s assistant and Vietnam veteran Mr Donnelly and his wife Leanne Benjamin, who owns a real estate company in Lake Mary, stepped up for Zimmerman in his hour of need.

They each provided powerful testimony at his trial asserting that it was Zimmerman, not teenager Trayvon Martin, who could be heard screaming for help in one particular 911 call on the night of February 26 last year.

Having met by virtue of Leanne’s company sharing a building with the insurance firm for which Zimmerman once worked, the couple became so close to the younger man that they regarded him like a son.

Mr Donnelly took Zimmerman to buy the suits, shirts and ties he wore at court. He taught him to tie a Windsor knot....

Mr Donnelly said: ‘Shellie is a wonderful person. She’s still young. She can get on with her life. We’re here to support her in any way she needs.

‘But I don’t know where George’s head is.

‘It’s not just us. A lot of people who were involved in the trial really just don’t understand where his head is right now.’

On hearing the news of yesterday’s altercation Leanne described Zimmerman as ‘a powder keg ready to blow.’

She and her husband expressed ‘relief’ that nobody had been hurt. Both had been living in fear that, in his post-acquittal ‘recklessness’ Zimmerman would ‘get himself into a situation’ and end up hurt or dead.

Mr Donnelly admitted: ‘I’m fearful for him, for what he might get himself into. I would take that gun of his and throw it to the bottom of the nearest lake.


‘He’s burned every bridge that he’s ever had. And I don’t know how he’s going to come back because his bridges are gone.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416705/George-Zimmerman-betrayed-abandoned-closest-powder-keg-ready-blow.html


hawkeye10
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 01:38 am
@firefly,
or maybe his old friends are pissy that George has dumped them now that he is a celebrity, shellie sure was, complaining that once that state freed him she barely heard from him, turns out because he went back to a ex girlfriend. changing who he hangs with is not an argument that anything is wrong, for all we know maybe he upgraded.

maybe something is wrong with George but I have heard no convincing arguments, and as you point out the evidence cant be good enough to get him put on a psychiatric hold.
firefly
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 01:41 am
@hawkeye10,
Well, wait until George kills himself or someone else...

He's a train wreck. And he was a train wreck before he killed Martin. That's why his wife had walked out on him the day before the shooting of Trayvon Martin...
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 01:45 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Well, wait until George kills himself or someone else...

we have a program for people who are a danger to themselves or others. however entry into this program requires more that the rantings of amateur shrinks, it requires real shrinks and a judge.
firefly
 
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Fri 13 Sep, 2013 01:47 am
@hawkeye10,
He may wind up in a psych hospital yet. It would be the best thing that could happen to him.
 

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