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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 02:58 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

That became patently obvious when he admitted sending 200 bucks to the defence fund.


Yeah, I guess so.
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ossobuco
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 03:06 pm
Meantime back at the ranch, this very long thread is mostly filled with BillRM and people arguing with him over and over and over and over. A feeding frenzy of a sort. I read in case new facts come up but they are a little spare on the ground except for these recent news incidents.

I too disagree with Bill on this guy, Zimmerman, but I don't think Bill is as stupid as he keeps getting portrayed. I think he has verbal problems and just types best he can at the time he wants to say something. His brain works differently, and I buy that he is smart on some matters, perhaps computers. He is repetitive, but so are the rest of us who are trying to straighten him out. It's almost comical, a needle caught sticking in a record groove.



The video was interesting for a lot of reasons including that someone might tape an argument in the first place.... the whole new device laden way we live now. Similar to people that take photos of their restaurant meals, but perhaps more meaty.

Arguably it might be useful in divorce proceedings. I don't know, my ex and my divorce was peaceful, if sad at the same time sort of freeing.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 03:10 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Meantime back at the ranch, this very long thread is mostly filled with BillRM and people arguing with him over and over and over and over. A feeding frenzy of a sort. I read in case new facts come up but they are a little spare on the ground except for these recent news incidents.

I too disagree with Bill on this guy, Zimmerman, but I don't think Bill is as stupid as he keeps getting portrayed. I think he has verbal problems and just types best he can at the time he wants to say something. His brain works differently, and I buy that he is smart on some matters, perhaps computers. He is repetitive, but so are the rest of us who are trying to straighten him out. It's almost comical, a needle caught sticking in a record groove.


Obviously, you could be right here, Ossobuco. And I have refrained from this kind of crap since coming back to A2K (successfully, I think), but Bill has regularly and consistently bad mouthed the intelligence of Trayvon Martin...and he deserves every comment about his deficient writing ability as he has been getting.

But I will try to ease up.


ossobuco
 
  1  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 03:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yeh, I understand the need to set him straight on that, really I do. But he doesn't set straight, it won't happen. So we have a Merry Go Round without the horsies.

Which reminds me of the old carousel at Santa Monica Pier -

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3620/3427002315_e0fb2f9568.jpg
My first dog, Sand Paw, ran away to there once in the early seventies. Or actually to the surfing shop a few feet across the boardwalk.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 03:14 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Yeh, I understand the need to set him straight on that, really I do. But he doesn't set straight, it won't happen. So we have a Merry Go Round without the horsies.


Well...we do have part of the "horsies." The south part of north bound horsies.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 03:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Very Happy

(How often do you see me using an emoticon, eh?)
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BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 05:16 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
but Bill has regularly and consistently bad mouthed the intelligence of Trayvon Martin...and he deserves every comment about his deficient writing ability as he has been getting.


Yes an ideal student who gotten kicked out of school for having drug residue and a drug pipe on him and had fail at least once if not more times a test to see if he can work at the tenth grade level before he can get his HS diploma.

Quote:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

n October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f---.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Word of the incident came as the family’s lawyer acknowledged that the boy was suspended in February for getting caught with an empty bag with traces of marijuana, which he called “irrelevant” and an attempt to demonize a victim.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.

A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 05:24 pm
@BillRM,
Hey, Bill, why don't you just crawl back into your cave because your assumptions are way off target. Having something, anything, isn't a crime until sick mind like yours like to arrive at conclusions not in factual evidence.

You're a sick man in the head, and you'd be better off hiding it from the public.

You probably grew up with angels, but the fact of the matter is, most children experiment with **** that will blow your mind. Even presidents have experimented with drugs and alcohol. Some even became regents of universities and well known scientists.

Trayvon was a 17 year old kid who didn't deserve to die at the hand of a renegade who has a history aggression and real crimes. Even his ex-wife is afraid of him.



BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 05:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Trayvon was a 17 year old kid who didn't deserve to die at the hand of a renegade who has a history aggression and real crimes. Even his ex-wife is afraid of him.


The kid deserve to died the moment he attacked Zimmerman in a manner that a reasonable person such as Zimmerman would then assume that either his life or being seriously harm was at stake, if he did not employed deadly force in self defense.

An a jury so rule...................
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 05:48 pm
@BillRM,
How did you arrive at "Trayvon attacked Zimmerman" from the evidence provided during trial? Of coarse, reality is not in your world, but your great imagination is.

Please show us from the trial's evidence, how you arrived at the original "attacker?"
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firefly
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 05:55 pm
@BillRM,
You're still hung up about Trayvon Martin and that "jewelry"? Laughing The jewelry that no one ever reported as being stolen? Laughing

How about the fact that, on Monday, Zimmerman took property that wasn't his--an ipad--and he destroyed it. And that theft, and destruction of property, isn't speculation, it was captured on a security tape outside his house. I watched him busting up that ipad.

And, as if stealing and destruction of property weren't enough, the reason Zimmerman stole and destroyed that property was because he believed it contained incriminating evidence about him--evidence that he was afraid showed him assaulting someone.

Zimmerman likes to destroy evidence--whether it's by killing the only other witness to his provocative actions, or by destroying a device that has captured his actions on video. He also likes to hide evidence--as he did from the judge at his bail hearing.

And he always claims to be responding "defensively". Rolling Eyes

So, what do you think about Zimmerman's theft and destruction of property--and his destruction of evidence?
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firefly
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 06:04 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
in a manner that a reasonable person such as Zimmerman would then assume ...

Where is your evidence that Zimmerman is a "reasonable person"? Laughing

His first legal team didn't think so, that's why they dumped him, his wife doesn't think so, his friends don't think so, and I think O'Mara is tired of doing damage-control for him because he doesn't think so either.

This reckless man with a long history of poor judgment, impaired impulse control, emotional lability and instability, and who seems unable to take any responsibility for his own behavior, seems anything but reasonable.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 06:08 pm
@firefly,
His first legal team was unethical, were an embarrassment to lawyers everywhere, their opinion is not relevant.

any flim flam that might get you by is good enough for you Firefly, I know, but some of us have standards.
firefly
 
  0  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 06:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
The first legal team couldn't deal with Zimmerman's erratic, unpredictable, impulsive, somewhat irrational behaviors, and extremely poor judgment. Exactly the same things everyone else has seen from Zimmerman since.

They were somewhat unprofessional in making those facts about their client public, but they rightly couldn't take responsibility for his defense, given the way he was acting. And they weren't falsifying anything about him. He was not behaving in a reasonable manner--his actions were somewhat bizarre and not fully rational.

And I think Mark O'Mara arrived at the same conclusion as Zimmerman's first lawyers did--in fact, he probably arrived at that conclusion some time ago, but now he's able to cut himself loose from George Zimmerman, and that's what he's just done.

Somehow, I don't think they'll be a long line of lawyers stepping up to the plate who'll want to represent George Zimmerman in any future legal problems--and there are likely to be future legal problems.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 06:38 pm
@firefly,
Zimmerman is the best thing to ever happen to OMara's career, but everybody has limits to how much work they can do for free. Still he was Zimmermans lawyer as of Monday. Did he quit?
firefly
 
  0  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 06:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
He seems to have quit as far as domestic violence/divorce/criminal actions.

He's still the attorney of record on the defamation suit with NBC, but he's not the lead attorney, so he should have no direct dealings with Zimmerman, and that's true for all the other loose ends from the Zimmerman entanglement.

He clearly doesn't want to be dragged into any more of Zimmerman's legal problems, so, for all intents and purposes, he's quit. And he said so after Monday's episode.

That info was previously posted in this thread if you'd bother to read it.

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Moment-in-Time
 
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Wed 11 Sep, 2013 06:56 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:


The kid deserve to died the moment he attacked Zimmerman in a manner that a reasonable person such as Zimmerman would then assume that either his life or being seriously harm was at stake, if he did not employed deadly force in self defense.

An a jury so rule...................


Billrm, I'm beginning to suspect there is something amiss in the way you post. Are you on medication? Do you often encounter problems communicating with others? I do apologize if I've been too harsh on you. All we see is the written word but some time there is more behind just a poster's inability to articulate his message effectively.
firefly
 
  0  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 06:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
It's also interesting that, although the police managed not to find Zimmerman's gun on Monday, it was O'Mara who gave interviews attesting to the fact that Zimmerman did have a gun, holstered on his person, and that he had touched it through his shirt, and that, when the police arrived, it was in Zimmerman's vehicle.

So, O'Mara was indirectly supporting what Shellie Zimmerman said when she called 911.

O'Mara is through covering for him.
firefly
 
  0  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 07:01 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
Billrm, I'm beginning to suspect there is something amiss in the way you post....
All we see is the written word but some time there is more behind just a poster's inability to articulate his message effectively

Sometimes there is more behind it. Like Drunk Drunk Drunk
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 11 Sep, 2013 07:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Zimmerman is the best thing to ever happen to OMara's career,
but everybody has limits to how much work they can do for free. Still he was Zimmermans lawyer as of Monday. Did he quit?
If I needed defensive legal counsel, I 'd hope for something BETTER
than that.

Its not hard to defeat a case that never really existed,
for a super-innocent client.





David
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