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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 02:26 pm
@RABEL222,
As an ersatz lawyer I would advise David not to reveal anything that could reveal his identity to anyone, least of all an obviously hostile git like you. At the end of the day you choose to believe or not what people tell you. I'm not going to prove I'm British, and you don't have to prove anything about yourself at all.

I already know you're an idiot with a huge chip on your shoulder. I don't need to know anything else.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 02:29 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Sounds like something you would do to me. And I dont think your funny. More like pathetic.

I was wondering if David would PROVE that he is a lawyer and a member of Mensa. And if you dont mind I wont just take your word for it. Proof.
What 's in that for me??
I have been retired from the practice of law for years.
What 's the big deal? I have never said (nor will I say):
"trust me; I 'm a hot shot lawyer."
Whatever I say stands or falls on its own merits.
When I argue the law, I usually cite to applicable statutory
or judicial authority in support, unless I am merely expressing skepticism.
Both in the NYC trial bar and in Mensa, I 'm sure that there are opinions
of members both in support of my expressed rationale AND IN OPPOSITION thereto.

Over the years, there have been a few members hereof
who have accompanied me to meetings of Mensa,
some of them being to the Special Interest Group that I founded in NYC about 35 years ago.

Bear in mind that this is an anonymous forum; no one is expected
to prove himself to anyone.





David
izzythepush
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 02:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I have never said (nor will I say):
"trust me; I 'm a hot shot lawyer."


Rubbish. I bet you scream it during sex.
parados
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 02:37 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Let me ask you again. Where did the jury make a factual finding that Zimmerman acted in self defense?


The not guilty verdict, issue under the instructions given to the jury where Zimmerman would not be guilt of any crime either murder or manslaughter if the jury found that he acted in legal self defense.

I guess if you ignore the other reasons possible, justifiable and excusable homicide, you might be able to argue that.

The jury can't convict if they have reasonable doubt as to whether it was self defense or not. That in no way is a finding of self defense. There are other instances where use of force is allowed other than self defense but you want to ignore those as well as the reasonable doubt aspect.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 02:42 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
As an ersatz lawyer I would advise David not to reveal anything that could reveal his identity to anyone, least of all an obviously hostile git like you. At the end of the day you choose to believe or not what people tell you. I'm not going to prove I'm British, and you don't have to prove anything about yourself at all.

I already know you're an idiot with a huge chip on your shoulder.
I don't need to know anything else.
Please permit me to agree
with your expressed position, Izzy. Thank u.





David
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firefly
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 02:56 pm
http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ht_shellie_zimmerman_wy_120612_wg-600x350.jpg
Shellie Zimmerman---GUILTY OF PERJURY!

Now no one should have any doubt about what untrustworthy, deceitful, brazen liars both Mr. and Mrs. Zimmerman are.
oralloy
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:12 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
When I heard that the State of Florida was going to spend more than $300,000 to pay for Zimmerman's attorney fees, I thanked God that I didn't live in Florida.
Imagine, paying for this guy's legal defense...

The perils of being a taxpayer in a state that willfully prosecutes the innocent....

I wonder if the state has to pick up the tab if there are any judgements against the prosecutors for misconduct.

Taxpayers can always vote for different people on election day if the bills get too high under the current set of politicians.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:21 pm
@parados,
Quote:
There are other instances where use of force is allowed other than self defense but you want to ignore those as well as the reasonable doubt aspect.


I had already posted part of the Zimmerman jury instructions along with the link for the complete jury instructions and reasonable doubt is always as in always a component of a jury verdict.

Next deadly force in Florida can also be used to stop a rape, or a car jacking or a bombing and other such forcible felonies however not one of those felonies was at issue at Zimmerman trial so you are trying to blow smoke.

Zimmerman was not trying to claimed that Trayvon was trying to rape him..LOL
BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:37 pm
Once more one of my predictions had come to be as Zimmerman wife plead out to a misdemeanor charge and got a slap on the wrist.

Quote:


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-shellie-zimmerman-perjury-20130828,0,2280026.story

] She was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service.


Footnote as it is a misdemeanor she had not lost her gun rights.

Next up is punishing the prosecutors for misconduct from the same article.

Quote:
A judge still has to consider defense attorneys' request for sanctions against prosecutors for what they claim was their withholding of evidence.
firefly
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:38 pm
Quote:
Chris Smith Files 'Stand Your Ground' Bill Limiting Florida Neighborhood Crime Watch Members
08/26/2013

Sen. Chris Smith (D-Fort Lauderdale) has filed a new bill that would restrict neighborhood crime watch members, among other revisions to Florida's controversial 'Stand Your Ground' law, in the wake of George Zimmerman's acquittal.

Zimmerman claimed to be acting as a neighborhood watch volunteer in his Sanford, Fla. community when he reportedly pursued and fatally shot unarmed Miami teen Trayvon Martin.

The state's 'Stand Your Ground' law prevented police from arresting Zimmerman for nearly two months, and jury instructions at his trial also included language from 'Stand Your Ground.'

Smith's self-defense bill, filed Monday, requires local sheriffs to issue "reasonable" guidelines to neighborhood crime watch programs, specifying that participants are prohibited from pursuing and confronting suspects.

The bill also specifies that immunity is not available to aggressors; outlines police's duty to investigate use of force cases when a person claims self-defense; clarifies that justifiable use of deadly force is allowed only when a threat is imminent, and when a person cannot safely avoid the danger before resorting to the use of deadly force; and requires the state to track cases in which self-defense is claimed.

“The common sense changes to Stand Your Ground in this bill include some a Republican senator recommended," Smith said in a release. “Stand Your Ground was supposed to be about improving public safety. But unless these changes are adopted, no one is truly safe and everyone is fair game.”

Smith has been one of the most active and vocal critics of Florida's controversial law. He filed a similar bill amending its language last year, although it died in a committee hearing.

The senator also spearheaded an independent review of 'Stand Your Ground' after the task force appointed by Gov. Rick Scott proved to be far from impartial.

A number of new bills for the 2013-2014 session already take aim at the state's self-defense laws.

Rep. Alan Williams, (D-Tallahassee) filed a bill repealing 'Stand Your Ground' in the Florida House last week, and Geraldine F. "Geri" Thompson (D-Orlando) filed the senate version.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/florida-stand-your-ground_n_3817218.html
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firefly
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:44 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Footnote as it is a misdemeanor she had not lost her gun rights.

She most definitely has lost her gun rights, at least for the next year.

This is not just "a slap on the wrist"--it is a criminal conviction, and if she violates the conditions of her probation, she will find herself in even more difficulty.
Quote:
As part of Shellie Zimmerman's one year of probation, she was given a list of conditions she must abide by.

In part, she cannot possess, carry or own a firearm and must get permission to own any other type of weapon. She also must get permission from her probation officer before moving, changing jobs or leaving the county where she lives.

She must also report regularly to a probation officer, pay $263 in court fees/fines and pay the state of Florida $50 per month as a cost of supervision while on probation.

Her probation can also be revoked if she violates the law, associates with anyone engaged in criminal activity or uses any drugs not prescribed by a doctor.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/28/george-zimmermans-wife-pleads-guilty-to-perjury/2719053/

firefly
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:53 pm
Quote:
NAACP Keeping Up Pressure In Trayvon Martin Case
By SUZANNE GAMBOA
08/26/13

WASHINGTON -- NAACP President Ben Jealous says he plans to turn over petitions with more than 1.7 million signatures calling on the Department of Justice to pursue charges against George Zimmerman for violating Trayvon Martin's civil rights.

Zimmerman was acquitted by a Florida court for the February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, who was unarmed.

Jealous says about a million of the signatures collected were sent by cell phone, and many were from young people.

Martin has emerged as a recurring symbol at protests of continued unequal treatment of blacks and other minorities.

His mother was among the speakers at Saturday's events marking the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Images of the slain teenager were displayed on T-shirts, posters, signs and buttons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/naacp-keeping-up-pressure-in-trayvon-martin-case_n_3818587.html


http://www.ksat.com/image/view/-/9618556/highRes/4/-/10tgjcv/-/Trayvon-Martin-3-jpg.jpg

hawkeye10
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 04:08 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
NAACP President Ben Jealous says he plans to turn over petitions with more than 1.7 million signatures calling on the Department of Justice to pursue charges against George Zimmerman for violating Trayvon Martin's civil rights.

Zimmerman was acquitted by a Florida court for the February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, who was unarmed.

Jealous says about a million of the signatures collected were sent by cell phone, and many were from young people

because the law works by taking referendums.... Drunk

not that anyone should be surprised of course that the NAACP is clueless.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 04:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
Yes, it is highly amusing that someone should be charge with a crime that there is zero evidence for him being guilty of due to a few millions citizens feeling that way.

But who know after all a few big rallies and the press resulted in a political trial at the state level and anything is possible with Holder as head of the DOJ.

Or a President that can not decide if Trayvon is a son of his or if him 37 years ago.

The NAACP also is supposed to be a civil right organization on top of that not a race base hate group that it is acting like in this case.



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BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 04:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye it nice to know that not all people in the NAACP are of that mind set.

But I wonder if the NAACP members are now out looking for a tree to hang Mr. Breaux from......... Drunk Drunk

Quote:


A Facebook post by the president of the Norfolk NAACP about the George Zimmerman trial has sparked criticism.

According to an image of the post shown on WAVY-TV, Tristan Breaux, 25, wrote, "I wonder why is it that we are always willing to say someone who clearly had a shaky past, was the victim. Are we blinded about why Trayvon was at his dad's house in the first place, and why he wasn't at home at the time he was shot? Please think logically and not racially."

Several local NAACP members asked Breaux to take the post down, and he initially refused, said Jeffrey Logan, a former member of the local chapter's executive committee.

The post went up last week. Breaux's Facebook page is no longer visible.

"With a sensitive issue like this, for an NAACP president to post that - it's not a good thing," said former Norfolk NAACP President Bob Rawls.

Logan and Rawls said Breaux should resign his position.

Members of the branch's executive committee said they have no plans to seek his removal.

Breaux, the youngest president in the branch's history, did not return phone calls seeking comment. He became president in January.

Corinne Reilly, 757-446-2277, [email protected]

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BillRM
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 06:29 pm
A justice system run by and for special interest groups.

To0 bad the NAACP is not concern about the millions of black men in prisons for non-violence offenses or the voting rights not being return to blacks ex-felonies after being released in Florida.

Or the very sub-standard public education that is still the lot of far too many black children.

All they wish to used their power for is to get one Latin man into a prison cell for the crime of killing a black teenager in an act of self defense.

Quote:


http://worldnewsviews.com/2013/07/14/naacp-claims-credit-for-inciting-zimmerman-prosecution-calls-for-holder-to-act-2/

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) sent a message to supporters after George Zimmerman was acquitted of murder and manslaughter Saturday evening, asking them to sign a petition urging the Department of Justice to initiate a civil rights prosecution, and reminding them that the NAACP shared responsibility for Zimmerman’s arrest and prosecution over the death of Trayvon Martin.

“Do not forget what brought us to this day,” the email, from NAACP President Ben Jealous, stated.

“George Zimmerman was arrested and charged because we would not back down when he was initially released. The Sanford Police Chief was removed from his post because we voiced our disbelief that he would overrule his detectives and block George Zimmerman’s arrest.”

Notably, the email did not say Zimmerman was prosecuted for any probable cause.
firefly
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 06:51 pm
@BillRM,
http://www.ksat.com/image/view/-/9618556/highRes/4/-/10tgjcv/-/Trayvon-Martin-3-jpg.jpg
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firefly
 
  0  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 06:54 pm
@BillRM,
http://www.hivehealthmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/head-up-ass.jpg
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 07:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I 'm just writing u off as a fool, C. I.,
as I have done with JTT and other mentally unbalanced posters.
U are not worthy of discourse.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 07:48 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
Footnote as it is a misdemeanor she had not lost her gun rights.

She most definitely has lost her gun rights, at least for the next year.

This is not just "a slap on the wrist"--it is a criminal conviction, and if she violates the conditions of her probation, she will find herself in even more difficulty.
Quote:
As part of Shellie Zimmerman's one year of probation, she was given a list of conditions she must abide by.

In part, she cannot possess, carry or own a firearm and must get permission to own any other type of weapon. She also must get permission from her probation officer before moving, changing jobs or leaving the county where she lives.

She must also report regularly to a probation officer, pay $263 in court fees/fines and pay the state of Florida $50 per month as a cost of supervision while on probation.

Her probation can also be revoked if she violates the law, associates with anyone engaged in criminal activity or uses any drugs not prescribed by a doctor.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/28/george-zimmermans-wife-pleads-guilty-to-perjury/2719053/


Note the liberal JOY of inconsistency
in regard to violation of "EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS".
Being dis-armed is the equivalent of being killed,
in the discretion of any predator who approaches the victim of the discrimination.
It is the equivalent of prohibiting defendant from attending any hospital, regardless of any heart attacks.
Firefly is elated at the prospect of the death penalty for perjury.





David
 

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