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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:07 pm
@BillRM,
First give us yours. Your the one saying George had trumatic injuries. Whats your medical background. And knowing how to fire a weapon dosent count as medical.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:51 pm
@RABEL222,
Maybe, Bill has a medical degree that we don't know about, and he's able to diagnose people through his tv screen. LOL
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 02:59 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
That was raving, Bill. You can do better.


Once more do you prefer that the world war two vet die under the fists of the teenagers then that he would had pull out a gun and kills those teenagers in self defense?


NO.

Quote:


A simple question that you should have no problem in answering one way or another.


I answered it.

And you were raving...although perhaps you cannot do better.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 04:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Maybe, Bill has a medical degree that we don't know about,
and he's able to diagnose people through his tv screen. LOL
U never stop doing that, C. I.,
forever with your un-solicited mental analyses.


I am sure that we all wish that u did.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 05:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Some people don't know the difference between something verbalized at trial doesn't equate to evidence.
Trial testimony IS evidence.

It seems odd, that when C. I. is ignorant,
he fakes and he pretends to understand what he is talking about.





David
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BillRM
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 06:54 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
First give us yours. Your the one saying George had trumatic injuries. Whats your medical background. And knowing how to fire a weapon dosent count as medical.


Trumaic injuries..........where did I label the injuries with any name at all in any postings of mine?
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BillRM
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 07:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I answered it.

And you were raving...although perhaps you cannot do better.


So Frank the WW2 vet have the right to used deadly force against not one but two teenagers attacking him therefore there is nothing wrong with Zimmerman doing the same against one teenager who did attacked him also?

An if not why is one life threatening attack in any way difference from the other life threatening attack?
parados
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 08:14 am
@BillRM,
When were Sharpton and Jackson on the jury? Do you bother to think before you post or do you just make random statements in the hope one of them will defend your position.

You were arguing that the jury found Martin guilty of attacking Zimmerman. Since Sharpton and Jackson weren't on the jury can I assume you are not defending your statement about the jury because you can't defend it?
BillRM
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 08:28 am
@parados,
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When were Sharpton and Jackson on the jury?


Are you on drugs as your postings as above made zero sense.

Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 08:47 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I answered it.

And you were raving...although perhaps you cannot do better.


So Frank the WW2 vet have the right to used deadly force against not one but two teenagers attacking him therefore there is nothing wrong with Zimmerman doing the same against one teenager who did attacked him also?

An if not why is one life threatening attack in any way difference from the other life threatening attack?



You are the one alleging there was a life-threatening attack on Zimmerman. I don’t buy into it the way you do. And we all know that Zimmerman started the incident by insisting that a young man walking down a street looked like a threat.

The difference is as stark as night and day to anyone with their eyes open.
parados
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 08:56 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
When were Sharpton and Jackson on the jury?


Are you on drugs as your postings as above made zero sense.



It made no sense because bringing Sharpton and Jackson into a discussion of whether the jury declared Zimmerman acted in self defense makes no sense. That means you make no sense Bill.

Let me ask you again. Where did the jury make a factual finding that Zimmerman acted in self defense? Since you can't provide any evidence, then are you willing to retract your statement?
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 08:58 am
@Frank Apisa,
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And we all know that Zimmerman started the incident by insisting that a young man walking down a street looked like a threat


Trying to pin you down is fun so it is your position that someone following you on the public streets would grant you the right to launch a deadly attack on the person following you?

An at the same time take away the right of the person you are attacking right to defend himself?

Is that your position??????????????

If Zimmerman actions was in anyway illegal before the Trayvon attack you would be right under the self defense laws however as his actions was not illegal that does not apply.

You do not lose the right of self defense by doing something that annoyed your attacker unless it was illegal.

By the way do you think that when a young woman got into my face and threaten to killed me in fact follow me home and killed me would that by itself allowed me to attack her? By the way unlike Zimmerman following Trayvon her threats was illegal.

Hint the answer is no as in hell no just as Trayvon had zero right to launch an attacked on Zimmerman for following him.
BillRM
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 09:01 am
@parados,
Quote:
Let me ask you again. Where did the jury make a factual finding that Zimmerman acted in self defense?


The not guilty verdict, issue under the instructions given to the jury where Zimmerman would not be guilt of any crime either murder or manslaughter if the jury found that he acted in legal self defense.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 09:18 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
And we all know that Zimmerman started the incident by insisting that a young man walking down a street looked like a threat


Trying to pin you down is fun...


Good. I hope you continue to enjoy yourself, Bill. I'm having lots of fun also.

Quote:
...so it is your position that someone following you on the public streets would grant you the right to launch a deadly attack on the person following you?


I don't know that I would think it right to launch a deadly attack on that person...but I sure as hell would confront him. Which is what I think Trayvon Martin did. Perhaps Zimmerman gave him some lip...and maybe even pushed him...and maybe Trayvon reacted to the push...and the confrontation became physical. But still, in my mind, FAR FROM deadly. We really do not know, because at the end of the confrontation...Trayvon was dead.



Quote:

An at the same time take away the right of the person you are attacking right to defend himself?


Do you make this stuff up yourself...or do you have help?

Quote:
Is that your position??????????????


No.



Quote:
If Zimmerman actions was in anyway illegal before the Trayvon attack you would be right under the self defense laws however as his actions was not illegal that does not apply.

You do not lose the right of self defense by doing something that annoyed your attacker unless it was illegal.


I do not know what you are talking about here. None of this applies to me.

Quote:
By the way do you think that when a young woman got into my face and threaten to killed me in fact follow me home and killed me would that by itself allowed me to attack her?

Hint the answer is no as in hell no just as Trayvon had zero right to launch an attacked on Zimmerman for following him.


Your train has gone off the tracks, Bill. Try to get it steadied...and when you are being real...come on back for more fun.
BillRM
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 09:55 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
don't know that I would think it right to launch a deadly attack on that person...but I sure as hell would confront him. Which is what I think Trayvon Martin did. Perhaps Zimmerman gave him some lip...and maybe even pushed him...and maybe Trayvon reacted to the push...and the confrontation became physical.


Well you might not know but I know that it is not right to launch an attack because someone had annoyed you either legally or morally right.

Second, there is zero and I mean zero evidence of any of the above story line of your happening and dreaming up some possible situations where it might had been Zimmerman fault is not good enough to even charge him let alone try him let alone after a not guilt verdict keep attacking Zimmerman for defensing himself.

Oh, I might had also talk to Zimmerman but I would had done so in a friendly way that no conflicted would had resulted. Love you using the word confront Zimmerman instead of just talking to him it tell me your mind set in dealing with another person on the streets.

When being challenge in my past such as when I was working for the 2010 census I had no hard feeling toward the person challenging me and those challenges went beyond just following me.

Footnote there were a very small percent of the population that was very very unfriendly to censors takers and yet I did not get into any conflict with such people.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 10:24 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I don't know that I would think it right to launch a deadly attack on that person...but I sure as hell would confront him. Which is what I think Trayvon Martin did. Perhaps Zimmerman gave him some lip...and maybe even pushed him...and maybe Trayvon reacted to the push...and the confrontation became physical. But still, in my mind, FAR FROM deadly. We really do not know, because at the end of the confrontation...Trayvon was dead.
R u sure that u 've got enuf "maybe"s there with the "perhaps", Frank; I dunno.

I know that when I was confronted for stalking some commercial establishments in NY last week,
it was very pleasant, and no one came even close to getting his head pounded against anything.

When I lived in NY, I ofen went for walks at nite.
Sometimes, coming home therefrom, I wondered whether someone
was following me (for mugging) or not. There was never any un-pleasantness.

I have ofen posted that if travon had chosen to be CIVIL,
then he 'd be intact.





David
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 10:53 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
don't know that I would think it right to launch a deadly attack on that person...but I sure as hell would confront him. Which is what I think Trayvon Martin did. Perhaps Zimmerman gave him some lip...and maybe even pushed him...and maybe Trayvon reacted to the push...and the confrontation became physical.


Well you might not know but I know that it is not right to launch an attack because someone had annoyed you either legally or morally right.

Second, there is zero and I mean zero evidence of any of the above story line of your happening and dreaming up some possible situations where it might had been Zimmerman fault is not good enough to even charge him let alone try him let alone after a not guilt verdict keep attacking Zimmerman for defensing himself.

Oh, I might had also talk to Zimmerman but I would had done so in a friendly way that no conflicted would had resulted. Love you using the word confront Zimmerman instead of just talking to him it tell me your mind set in dealing with another person on the streets.

When being challenge in my past such as when I was working for the 2010 census I had no hard feeling toward the person challenging me and those challenges went beyond just following me.

Footnote there were a very small percent of the population that was very very unfriendly to censors takers and yet I did not get into any conflict with such people.


"Censors takers", huh. That what you were...a censors takers! (Jesus!)

Bill, what happened is pretty clear...at least the beginning is. Zimmerman decided that Martin was acting suspicious (walking and talking on his telephone!)...and decided to "protect" humanity from this terrible threat.

It ended with Zimmerman shooting young Martin through the chest...killing him.

All the rest is close to speculation...even the supposed eye-witness testimony.

You have taken a position of Zimmerman being right...and of Martin being wrong...that Zimmerman was reasonable in killing Martin...and that Martin was unreasonable in reacting to Zimmerman's stalking.

I think that is because you want to kill someone. I think you want very, very much to kill someone...and for it to be "justifiable." Perhaps you even want your wife to kill someone...and for it to be "justifiable."

Much of what you have written here indicates to me that you do feel that way...and that you would walk away from such a killing feeling elated...and, of course, justified.

I imagine you imagining scenarios where you are "forced" to defend yourself...and shooting someone at close range. I imagine you imaging watching the person bleeding and dying in front of you...with a degree of satisfaction in finally having felt the thrill of killing a fellow human being...for cause, of course.

You are a fellow human being to me, Bill...and I don't hate you. I don't even dislike you. I pity you...and I can't conceive of the set of circumstances that has caused you to become what you have become. Your life must have been tragic at one time.

Anyway...Trayvon Martin is dead. If he was going to become a productive member of society or a bum or criminal doesn't matter, because he is dead.

George Zimmerman is free.

Tomorrow I will play golf and enjoy my life as much as possible.

And you can hope that one day you will be able to use that gun you carry to kill someone.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 10:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I don't know that I would think it right to launch a deadly attack on that person...but I sure as hell would confront him. Which is what I think Trayvon Martin did. Perhaps Zimmerman gave him some lip...and maybe even pushed him...and maybe Trayvon reacted to the push...and the confrontation became physical. But still, in my mind, FAR FROM deadly. We really do not know, because at the end of the confrontation...Trayvon was dead.
R u sure that u 've got enuf "maybe"s there with the "perhaps", Frank; I dunno.

I know that when I was confronted for stalking some commercial establishments in NY last week,
it was very pleasant, and no one came even close to getting his head pounded against anything.

When I lived in NY, I ofen went for walks at nite.
Sometimes, coming home therefrom, I wondered whether someone
was following me (for mugging) or not. There was never any un-pleasantness.

I have ofen posted that if travon had chosen to be CIVIL,
then he 'd be intact.





David


I see.

I often walk in New York at night also. Pleasant place for the most part. Never have had an incident. Hope I never have one.

Trayvon Martin is dead...at 17. He made the mistake of walking where George Zimmerman was "on patrol."
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 11:27 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I don't know that I would think it right to launch a deadly attack on that person...but I sure as hell would confront him. Which is what I think Trayvon Martin did. Perhaps Zimmerman gave him some lip...and maybe even pushed him...and maybe Trayvon reacted to the push...and the confrontation became physical. But still,




in my mind, FAR FROM deadly .
Frank, will u be good enuf to reveal the extent of your education in neural, encephalic diagnosis??

R u able to execute your cerebral diagnoses without an X-ray or an MRI ??

Indeed, if America 's 7 best neural surgeons had been standing there
watching travon slam Zimmy 's head on the cement, can u estimate
how many of them wud be able to figure out how many aneurysms Zimmy
had within his head BEFORE travon began bashing his head on the street??

Will u give us an estimate of how many of those neural surgeons
wud be able to intuit how much internal pressure
generated by any of such kinetic impacts any of such aneurysms
was able to withstand without perforation??
( Hint: the number of such intuitive medical experts is O. )
Even Zimmy HIMSELF had no way of knowing
whether he was thusly afflicted BEFORE travon 's murderous attack.





Frank Apisa wrote:
We really do not know, because at the end of the confrontation...Trayvon was dead.
As he well DESERVED to be; he was an extremely violent felon.
I feel safer for his absence.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 11:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Trayvon Martin is dead...at 17.
He made the mistake of walking where George Zimmerman was "on patrol."
He made the mistake of pounding Zimmy 's head on the street.

Zimmy shot him, for GOOD REASON, for pounding, not for walking.
I wonder Y u left that out ?





David
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