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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 06:28 pm
@roger,
Yes so in the UK Zimmerman could had been killed or cripple for life without Trayvon running any risk at all.

How nice just as it is nice that in the UK women are not even allowed a key ring pepper spray containers as you would not wish to take the risk of harming rapists.
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firefly
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 06:28 pm
@BillRM,
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Sadly if Trayvon have not decided to defend himself nothing in the world would had happen to him

No, what's genuinely sad, in fact tragic, is that Zimmerman didn't have the self-control and good judgment to remain in his car--so that there would have been no need for Trayvon Martin to have to try to defend himself.

And, even after Zimmerman got out of his vehicle, he failed to identify himself or his motives to Martin--he remained threatening and menacing to that child.


Stop trivializing the fear, particularly for a child, of being stalked by a stranger in the dark, for no apparent reason. If someone stalked you like that, you'd have your hand on your gun, ready to protect yourself.

Had Zimmerman left Trayvon Martin alone, he would have continued walking home. It was Zimmerman who was obsessed with Martin, and with not wanting him to elude the police. Martin had no interest in Zimmerman.

Zimmerman erroneously profiled an innocent kid, who was just walking around and talking on his cell phone, as a criminal, and, because of his own own obsessions, and poor impulse control, he then stalked and confronted that child, provoking a deadly encounter. And, in response to a punch in the nose, he shot and killed an unarmed child. So if Zimmerman now has to live with fears of people following him, and fears of other vigilantes, people just like him, I'm really not going to lose sleep over it.

BillRM
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 06:30 pm
@gungasnake,
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I'll say it again, nobody was following anybody


It does not matter as there is no way that Trayvon have any justification for assaulting Zimmerman following or not following.
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gungasnake
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 06:32 pm
@firefly,
http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2006/269/15906036_115938096514.jpg

Tokyo Rose...
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firefly
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 06:37 pm
@BillRM,
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The lesson to learn from the Zimmerman/Trayvon event is you do not assault strangers for annoying you not that you should be allowed to do so.

As in blacks should "stay in their place"? Blacks should allow people to stalk or menace them?

No the lesson to be learned from assholes like Zimmerman is that you don't go around following people in the dark because of your personal obsessions--you don't unnecessarily act in ways that are provocative, or menacing, or threatening. The lesson should be that, if people don't have good judgment, and adequate impulse control, they shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun.

And the lesson for young black males, from Zimmerman's acquittal, is that they better arm themselves, because they can't depend on justice in our legal system. They better count on being able to protect themselves.
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firefly
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 06:47 pm
@BillRM,
You're the one who was profiled, by other adults, as being a possible pedophile, and they had you kicked out of a public park because they were distressed with the way you were engaging young children, using kittens as a lure.

And you've been supporting profiling in this thread by applauding how allegedly accurate Zimmerman's profiling of Martin was. Well, Zimmerman was probably as accurate in his profiling of Martin as those people in the park were about you...

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My grandkids are so protected when they are with me and or my wife........

I'm not so sure about that...Most children are sexually abused by a family member or someone known to them. So looking to those people for "protection" wouldn't be very effective, would it?

How come you keep bringing up child pornography and child molestation in this thread? Does mentioning those topics get you excited?
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gungasnake
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 11:38 pm
O'Mara's take on Angela Corey:

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gungasnake
 
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Tue 13 Aug, 2013 11:52 pm
Ann Coulter's Take:

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oralloy
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:26 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
If we're talking about odds, as oralloy does, then the odds are that Zimmerman accosted Trayvon and Trayvon was fully justified in any action he took because he feared, rightly, for his life.

There is no evidence that Mr. Zimmerman accosted Trayvon.

And the evidence shows that Mr. Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon a good three minutes earlier, and then Trayvon came up to him.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:28 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Well, you've come to the right place if you're looking for someone who will stick to the facts and not speculate.

Damn oralloy, it's a good thing you have the honor and integrity to not lie or speculate.

Indeed.

But speculation is not dishonorable.

And I do speculate sometimes (usually when someone persistently asks me to speculate). It's just that most of the time I do not. I strongly prefer to deal with facts and evidence.


parados wrote:
oralloy wrote:
And odds are that Trayvon had some "Poor Man's PCP" stashed somewhere all ready to add to his mix. He was also casing houses to break into after he had consumed his drugs.

By the way oralloy, I am still waiting for you to provide Martin's recipe which you must have since you don't lie or speculate.

Didn't I already post it for you? I remember typing it out.

At any rate, your posts in that thread are so tangled that it will take me some time to properly answer most of them. And right now all my energy for "long posts" is going to answers on the Hiroshima thread (which I am WAY behind on).

I'll probably get back to the other thread in about a week or so.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:29 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
This whole "casing houses" meme is total bullshit and profiling at its worst. Oralloy and snaKKKe and all the other Zimmerman apologists should join the 21st century. What Trayvon was doing was absolutely typical behavior for what we KNOW he was actually doing: TALKING ON HIS CELLPHONE, and onl,y talking on his cellphone. If oralloy and snaKKKe had ever actually looked at people on their phones, if Zimmerman had ever looked at people on phones rather than immediately leaped to totally mistaken conclusions which led to his undeservedly killing Trayvon, they would know. I've seen enough people on phones to know. You walk slowly and erratically, you stop and stare at anything bright, or moving, you gesture as if you were holding a face-to-face conversation, you stop and stare at nothing, you stop and stare at something you have absolutely no interest in. You don't interact with someone who's actually there, tho you may stare at them fixedly. You talk to the empty air. If you have a Bluetooth headset, as Trayvon did, you don't have that telltale hand to your ear. In short, ten years ago, people would have thought you were crazy, you're "not behaving normally", you're "casing houses". NO. You're on a cellphone. Your body is on autopilot while your brain is far away. That's why people push to ban cellphones in cars, because you're not fully in your car while you're talking. When you rearend someone it's because your brain was in Peoria and your body wasn't.

Trayvon's use of extremely deranged drugs, and his having been caught with a burglary tool and stolen jewelry, say differently.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:30 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Trayvon was profiled and killed because he was on his phone, which oralloy and snaKKKe et al would realize if they ever paid any attention to the real world and the way people actually behave in 2012 (and 2013). Of course they'd rather live in their fantasies.

Trayvon was killed because he violently assaulted someone, and they defended themselves.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:35 am
@oralloy,
that Martin attacked Zimmerman is easy to believe, but that he planned to steal?? based upon what? was he ever known to break into houses? did he have a drug habit to support?
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:44 am
re oralloy
Trayvon was talking on his cellphone. We know that. Zimmerman described him as "not normal", as kmaybe "being on drugs", as "casing houses". As you would know if you have ever actually looked at people walking and talkingt on cellphones, those are PRECISELY what they look like and act like. I'm not kidding. ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE WORLD AROUND YOU FOR A CHANGE. Zimmerman profiled him. It's the "if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" syndrome. Zimmerman expected to see a burglar, and that's the way he profiled Trayvon, who was NOT burgling, but only headed home. Zimmerman forced what he saw into the mold he expected to see. And that is precisely what you are doing too.'

And Zimmerman stalked (in the predator-prey sense) Trayvon, and since you''ve been talking odds, oralloy, the odds are Zimmerman confronted Trayvon and grabbed him (recall "get off me" in the testimony), and the odds are they fell, and Zimmerman hit his own head on the sidewalk. Once. He sure didn't have his head hit on the sidewalk twenty-five or thirty times, as he claimed, and suffer just those two insignificant cuts on the head, with that insignificant blood loss.
oralloy
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:46 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
that Martin attacked Zimmerman is easy to believe, but that he planned to steal?? based upon what? was he ever known to break into houses?

He was kicked out of high school because they found he had a hidden stash containing a screwdriver and an assortment of women's jewelry, and no explanation for why any of it was in his possession.


hawkeye10 wrote:
did he have a drug habit to support?

He posted online about using Dextromethorphan (a cheap alternative to PCP/Angel Dust) mixed with candy and a light soft drink.

And when he assaulted Mr. Zimmerman he was carrying candy and a light soft drink.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:49 am

Florida Sheriffs UNANIMOUSLY support the Stand Your Ground Law:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/12/florida-sheriffs-stand-your-ground_n_3743690.html>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/12/florida-sheriffs-stand-your-ground_n_3743690.html





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:50 am
@oralloy,
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He posted online about using Dextromethorphan (a cheap alternative to PCP/Angel Dust) mixed with candy and a light soft drink.

And when he assaulted Mr. Zimmerman he was carrying candy and a light soft drink

in other words he had no need to steal to support his drug habit because his drug habit was cheap.
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:51 am
Gee, maybe, just maybe, this is just a suggestion, he was planning on drinking the Arizona Iced Tea (which would taste absolutely awful mixed with cough medicine) while he was watching the game. And the candy was for his younger brother. You're building cloud castles in fairyland again, oralloy.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:54 am
@MontereyJack,
I thawt that the Skittles (sp??)
were an ingredient in a "fire-ass" drug drink; yes ?
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oralloy
 
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Wed 14 Aug, 2013 02:57 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Trayvon was talking on his cellphone. We know that. Zimmerman described him as "not normal", as kmaybe "being on drugs", as "casing houses". As you would know if you have ever actually looked at people walking and talkingt on cellphones, those are PRECISELY what they look like and act like. I'm not kidding. ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE WORLD AROUND YOU FOR A CHANGE. Zimmerman profiled him. It's the "if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" syndrome. Zimmerman expected to see a burglar, and that's the way he profiled Trayvon, who was NOT burgling, but only headed home. Zimmerman forced what he saw into the mold he expected to see. And that is precisely what you are doing too.'

Trayvon's use of extremely deranged drugs, and his having been caught with a hidden stash containing a screwdriver and women's jewelry, say otherwise.


MontereyJack wrote:
And Zimmerman stalked (in the predator-prey sense) Trayvon,

Hardly stalked. Mr. Zimmerman merely followed Trayvon for a little while to keep tabs on him for the police.


MontereyJack wrote:
and since you''ve been talking odds, oralloy, the odds are Zimmerman confronted Trayvon and grabbed him

No, the evidence shows that Mr. Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon a good three minutes earlier, and then Trayvon came up to him.


MontereyJack wrote:
(recall "get off me" in the testimony),

Recall the fact that the person giving that testimony was not credible, and the fact that that testimony conflicted with the physical evidence.

I prefer to stay with the physical evidence.


MontereyJack wrote:
and the odds are they fell, and Zimmerman hit his own head on the sidewalk. Once. He sure didn't have his head hit on the sidewalk twenty-five or thirty times, as he claimed, and suffer just those two insignificant cuts on the head, with that insignificant blood loss.

Plenty of people saw a fight with one person pummeling another.
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