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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
JTT
 
  0  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 11:47 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
The stuff you often get from watching CSI is bullshit.


The stuff you often get from watching most US TV is bullshit, Farmer. Propaganda spewed across the airwaves.
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BillW
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 11:50 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

a Zimmerman lack of credibility would not meet the states burden of proof. since it does not appear that the state has a case it would be stupid to put zimmerman on the stand, they should mount no defense at all.


It does mean the jury can through out every bit of Zimmerman's words - to counter that he must get on the stand. This is a major DA accomplishment. They will put on expert witnesses to get other points clarified. And, the all important timelines - prove Zimmerman lied with this method would be devastating for the defense!
BillW
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 11:56 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

As I said, Im not watching . Im reading about it in several news sources .
Im just smiling at how weve got two camps
1Zimmerman should be sent away

2 Zimmerman should be given a medal

Both sides are jumping the gun and playing TV lawyer




Third camp - lean either way but are willing to listen to new evidence and debate it as it happens; then place it in order of importance due to knowledge and past experiences. This group is not afraid to change their opinions as to where the case stands - sometimes, many times a day.

DrewDad
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 11:57 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Im just smiling at how weve got two camps

Undecided people not partaking in a debate?!?!? Inconceivable!
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 11:57 am
@farmerman,
I'm not "playing" anything. As I've said, I'm waiting for more info in the trial.

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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 11:58 am
@BillW,
the state does not need to prove that this was self defense, the state needs to prove that it was not. not being able to believe Zimmerman does not get the jury there.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
Zimmerman's lies will get them there!
Rockhead
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:01 pm
@DrewDad,
this is to debate what demolition derby is to auto racing...

Laughing
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firefly
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:02 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
As I said, Im not watching . Im reading about it in several news sources .

But your lack of better information, about what's been presented by the state, and where they're going with it, is affecting your perception of the trial. You're asking questions, and raising issues, that either the state has already addressed, or that are not relevant to their strategy and their blueprint of the case.
Quote:
Im just smiling at how weve got two camps

1Zimmerman should be sent away

2 Zimmerman should be given a medal

I'm not in either of those two camps.
Quote:
Both sides are jumping the gun and playing TV lawyer

Well, I'm watching the real lawyers do their work, and I'm reserving judgment as to the outcome.



cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:04 pm
@firefly,
I guess farmerman is exempt from
Code:Both sides are jumping the gun and playing TV lawyer
.
BillW
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I guess farmerman is exempt from
Code:Both sides are jumping the gun and playing TV lawyer
.


Why would anyone post on here if this wasn't true? It's where the fun is - but, don't look into the eye of the sun!
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:17 pm
@roger,
And you think calling someone a moron shows your intelligence? As to the misstatement compare the statements. They arnt the same. But you already knew this, thus the moron comment.
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gungasnake
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:27 pm
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-update-how-much-injury-is-required-before-self-defense-is-justified/

Quote:

Zimmerman Update — How Much Injury Is Required Before Self-Defense is Justified?

Apparently frustrated at Mr. O’Mara’s masterful performance on cross-examination (see Zimmerman Trial Day 5 – Analysis & Video – State’s own witnesses undercut theory of guilt for our analysis) Mr. de la Rionda asked, as if he meant it, whether all people have perfectly round heads or wasn’t it true that a person can have a bumpy or raised area of their head as a normal state of affairs, and not solely as the result of traumatic injury.

Was he trying to suggest that the normal appearance of Mr. Zimmerman’s skull included contusions, abrasions, lacerations, and blood trails? It was more than a little bizarre....

...In fact, the State had pounded on this theme of “Zimmerman’s minimal injury throughout the day, asking witnesses if they had observed Zimmerman to be staggering or unresponsive to communication (it must be said that more than one witness–State witnesses, mind you, all of whom were previously deposed by Mr. de la Rionda or a colleague, testified that Mr. Zimmerman had, in fact, complained of dizziness, etc.)

It seems that the State is attempting to establish in the jurors minds that Mr. Zimmerman could not have been justified in his use of deadly force in self-defense unless he had actually and already sustained life-threatening injury. If one accepts this notion, then the fact that Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries have (apparently) turned out to be transient may substantially attenuate his claim that his use of deadly force in self-defense was lawful.

(I say Mr.Zimmerman’s injuries were “apparently transient” because it may be many years before there are clinical symptoms of any brain injury resulting from the repeated blows to Mr. Zimmerman’s head by well-thrown punches and sidewalk cement. What is emerging from the NFL with regard to late-life brain damage among players who have suffered repeated blows to the head is not encouraging.)

Must You Wait for the Attacker’s Bullet to Strike Before You Act in Self-Defense?

The very idea that the State is seeking to establish–that self-defense is conditional upon actually suffering serious injury–is, of course, ridiculous on its face. The purpose of the law of self-defense, particularly in the context of the use deadly defensive force, is to be able to protect yourself from an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm before that harm occurs, not to require that you actually experience death or grave bodily harm before you may act to protect yourself.

Under the conceptual framework being advanced by the State, if a man were to clearly state his intention to kill you, slowly remove a pistol from his desk drawer, point it at you, and pull back the hammer, you would be required to wait until he shot at you–indeed, until he actually hit you–before you would be entitled to use deadly force to protect yourself. After all, if you acted with the swiftness appropriate to the occasion and struck down your attacker before his bullet tore through your body you wouldn’t have so much as scratch to later show Mr. de la Rionda as justification for having used deadly force in self-defense.........


RABEL222
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:32 pm
@farmerman,
I am sorry but I keep going back to the "FACT" that if Zimmerman had called the police and stayed in his car untill they got there none of this would have taken place. He caused all the problems with his want to be a cop attitude and I believe should be held accountable for his actions. Carrying and useing a gun should be held to a higher threshold of accountability because armed people are so much more dangerous. When unarmed people are shot by armed people they should have to prove their life "was" in danger. Not just that they think it "might" have been. Justice is a tenuous thing. I think he is going to get away with murder just as OJ did.
BillW
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:52 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

I am sorry but I keep going back to the "FACT" that if Zimmerman had called the police and stayed in his car untill they got there none of this would have taken place. He caused all the problems with his want to be a cop attitude and I believe should be held accountable for his actions. Carrying and useing a gun should be held to a higher threshold of accountability because armed people are so much more dangerous. When unarmed people are shot by armed people they should have to prove their life "was" in danger. Not just that they think it "might" have been. Justice is a tenuous thing. I think he is going to get away with murder just as OJ did.


This is the entire Prosecution in my opinion, and hopefully the jurys. The only, and I mean only defense to this is Zimmerman going in a announcing himself and declaring he is armed. Without these actions, they stand on the same footing and because of Zimmermans past actions - he is the aggressor for evermore.

A person can not follow a person, then stalk them, get into a fight with them, start losing that fight and then claim that he was in fear of his life and shoot to kill a minor.

Don't forget, this is a minor; and, an adult now has a futher requirement in his actions, whether he realizes its a minor or not. Nope, there is a very high responsibility requirement on Zimmerman that the Defense keeps trying to shirk.
Rockhead
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:53 pm
@gungasnake,
so when a kid pulls out his skittles and ice tea...
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:57 pm
@BillW,
DrewDad wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Who will be your first victim ?

Freedom.

BillW wrote:
Exactly - beautiful response!
Yes; u 'd sacrifice as much American freedom as u can,
in favor of authoritarianism and collectivism.
That is perverted. U r a true liberal.
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BillW
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 12:58 pm
@Rockhead,
boom, pop him instantly before he offers you some......

Especially if you are already fat. You know what his intentions are!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 01:05 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
Don't forget, this is a minor; and, an adult now has a futher requirement in his actions,
whether he realizes its a minor or not.
O, really ??
So, according to YOU, adults have a duty
not to kill minors in self defense
(even if those adults know not the ages of the perpetrators) ????
Please cite us to the legal authority in support of your position, if u will be so kind.





David
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 01:15 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
"Self-defense" has not been determined or established. Zimmerman was trained in self-defense (MMA) and also had a gun.

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