The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@hawkeye10,

a marksman trophy?

it could have an afro silhouette in crosshairs...

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@revelette,

The problem: There's a national outcry about the Zimmerman killing, but nothing will come of it, because the republicans will stop all the necessary legislation to outlaw SYG laws. They won't even pass regulations to stop selling guns to criminals.

I just wonder how many republicans have been killed and will get killed in the future because of SYG laws?

With the shrinking republican party, they probably don't care.

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@hawkeye10,

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yes, martin fit the profile of a thief, he was suspicious...

No he wasn't acting "suspicious"--he was just walking around.

And the chief investigator on this case said, on the witness stand, he would not have found Martin's behavior suspicious if he had seen him.

Zimmerman found Martin "suspicious" because Zimmerman didn't think he belonged there. That Zimmerman was obsessed with "suspicious black males" wasn't Martin's fault. Martin wasn't doing anything wrong, he was walking home and talking on his cell phone. The problem was Zimmerman's obsessions, not Martin's behavior.

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what would you have us do, assume everyone is a Angel until and unless we catch them in the act of crime?

So you want everyone regarded as guilty until proved otherwise? Now you're advocating a police state where we don't even wait until a crime has been committed? You of all people?

Wouldn't you then regard an adult, with a loaded gun, who is not a cop, and who has been following a child around in the dark, as acting pretty "suspicious"? Why assume that Zimmerman's motives were pure?

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@firefly,

Sure would hate to be a black man where hawk provides EMS services. He might think you're a suspect of a crime, because you're black. You'll never know what he might do or not do.

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@firefly,

he did not belong, he was loitering in the rain, and he was a young black man....BINGO! anyone with a lick of sense would wonder if he was up to no good. a noble and courageous man would attempt to find out.

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@cicerone imposter,

honk-eye is not the EMS kinda guy, ci...

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Sure would hate to be a black man where hawk provides EMS services. He might think you're a suspect of a crime, because you're black. You'll never know what he might do or not do.

black men are 6 times more likely than white men to be in prison due to criminality, and twice as likely as hispanic males to be. if someone has a problem with black males being found to be suspicious they should concentrate their efforts on lowering black male criminality.

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@hawkeye10,

Your conclusions prove your bigotry; you simply fail to understand American history - not only for blacks, but for almost all races and ethnicities that migrated to this country.

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@hawkeye10,

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he did not belong, he was loitering in the rain, and he was a young black man....BINGO! anyone with a lick of sense would wonder if he was up to no good. a noble and courageous man would attempt to find out.

Martin did belong there--he wasn't trespassing, and he wasn't loitering--he was walking around in a gated community in which he was a house guest. Martin had just as much a right to be there as Zimmerman did.

If Zimmerman was concerned, he would have driven over to Martin and asked if he was lost, or ill, or needed any assistance--all of which might have been possibilities.

Zimmerman wasn't concerned, he was suspicious and angry when he saw Martin--his anger was clear in his call to the police. This was all about Zimmerman's obsessions, not Martin's behavior. Zimmerman was irrationally angry at this kid he didn't know, and who wasn't doing anything more than walking around and talking on his cell phone, because of his personal obsessions with young black males. And he erroneously profiled an innocent kid who belonged there. And then he wound up killing him.

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if someone has a problem with black males being found to be suspicious they should concentrate their efforts on lowering black male criminality...

Proving you engage in the same sort of biased racial stereotyping that Zimmerman did.

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@hawkeye10,

He did belong because he was staying with his father and his father's fiancée in the neighborhood. He was walking home and it happened to be raining and he had a perfect right to be there and not be thought a suspect for being young, black and male.

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Among the flood of documents, photographs and audio recordings released last month by Florida prosecutors, the most damning for Zimmerman was the “capias request” filed by Sanford Police lead investigator Christopher Serino. The March 13 petition sought to arrest Zimmerman and charge him with manslaughter.

The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog (sic) in an effort to dispel each party’s concern.

source

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@revelette,

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Apparently, there was a description given out about the suspected thieves which was young black males. So, Zimmerman was obsessed with calling in to 911 about young black males. So the only reason Trayvon Martin was suspect in Zimmerman mind that night was simply because he was a young black male.

So if there was reports that young women was doing break-ins it would be sexist to be more concern about a young woman walking slowly in the rain then males?

If there was reports that a tall man had been seen breaking into homes then if Zimmerman then was more likely to report tall men then short men that is somehow wrong?

In any case as he did not give the 911 operator the skin color of Trayvon until ask it still does not appear that he was focusing on skin color that night

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@BillRM,

The focus on skin color was clearly in Zimmerman's mind set. Why do you think he kept calling the police about black men?

There is nothing suspicious about someone walking slowly, or just wandering around, particularly when they are engrossed in a cell phone conversation. And when it started raining, Martin sought shelter--it was raining on and off and Martin wasn't in a hurry to get back to where he was staying. The basketball game he wanted to watch on TV wasn't starting for another half hour.

The problem was Zimmerman's obsessions--that's what impaired his judgment and his impulse control. You can't blame Martin for Zimmerman's psychological problems.

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@cicerone imposter,

Is it any wonder we have few black members at A2K? They wouldn't exactly feel comfortable listening to attitudes like these.

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Any white men on this thread? do they know children?

Keep your children away from them.

They meet the profile for those who commit violent crimes against children.

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nearly 70% of those serving time for violent crimes against children were white

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All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male.

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“96% of female rape victims in 1991, younger than 12 years old, knew their attackers.

who knew profiling could be so easy and such fun

http://www.cpiu.us/statistics-2/

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Oralloy they had wheeled out a charge of you being a pedophile welcome to the club of this silliness now they do need to charge you with being a drunk/drunk driver and a rapist just to begin to catch up with the charges and labels they had used against me.

I took Parados' statement more as a thought exercise to try to illustrate how my thinking was wrong.

I did not agree with his point though. I see reason to be suspicious of Trayvon's hidden stash of women's jewelry, while Parados' hypothetical provided no reason to be suspicious of me.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

So the only reason Trayvon Martin was suspect in Zimmerman mind that night was simply because he was a young black male.

He also thought Trayvon acted like he was on drugs and was casing houses.

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I love the ignore feature as only seeing the parts of the nonsense Firefly posted when someone else quote her is just about the right amount for my stomach to take.

Her silly personal attacks and her lies such as Zimmerman had used black in connection to assholes that night and so on.

I still find it so amazing that you can take a racially mixed Latin male that had never shown to have a racist bone in his body in fact just the reverse [see his prom date and standing up for a homeless black man] and turn him into a cold blooded white racist with a gun he was looking to use on some innocent black kid.

Not only turning Zimmerman into a white racist by waving a magic wand but turning a trouble young 17 years old black teenager into a smiling child of around 14 that was a saint even if he was already in trouble in his school to the point he needed to leave.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

The focus on skin color was clearly in Zimmerman's mind set. Why do you think he kept calling the police about black men?

There is nothing suspicious about someone walking slowly, or just wandering around, particularly when they are engrossed in a cell phone conversation. And when it started raining, Martin sought shelter--it was raining on and off and Martin wasn't in a hurry to get back to where he was staying. The basketball game he wanted to watch on TV wasn't starting for another half hour.

The problem was Zimmerman's obsessions--that's what impaired his judgment and his impulse control. You can't blame Martin for Zimmerman's psychological problems.

As not reported much by the media, Zimmerman worked hard to get justice for homeless black man Sherman Ware after he was beaten. You're displaying more racism than Zimmerman by reading his mind and accusing him of racism based on scant evidence open to multiple interpretations. You seem to feel that any time a non-black man shoots a black man, he must be guilty, no matter what the specific situation. The jury found him innocent. If the incident was so obviously motivated by race, he ought to be sued.

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@oralloy,

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He also thought Trayvon acted like he was on drugs and was casing houses.

Come on oralloy. We don't know, only he knows, what he thought. What he said he thought afterwards is neither here nor there.

Even if he did think that we don't know whether he was justified in doing so. And I am not saying he wasn't justified. It's just not evidence except for those who want it to be.

The only things which are apparent is that the lad is dead, his death is unavenged and his family is a lot better fixed now than it was materialistically.

We have a case that's been going on since 1993. It surfaced again last week. Despite some recent convictions. It must be like a red hot poker up the arse to every Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. I think two have lost their jobs over it. It's being double dug. And then some.

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@Brandon9000,

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The jury found him innocent.

No it didn't. That was not the verdict.

And one juror has already said, "George Zimmerman got away with murder."

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If the incident was so obviously motivated by race, he ought to be sued.

That's why the Justice Dept. is continuing to investigate this case.

And the Martin family may file a wrongful death suit--with or without race as an issue.

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