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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
gungasnake
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 04:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
NOBODY should have any sort of a money/career incentive to simply put people in prison or execute people. I've looked at this one from every angle and the inescapable conclusion is that the adversarial system has to go and we need to adopt the kind of inquisitorial system which France uses.

Did you ever read the story of Bobby Fijnje??
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firefly
 
  0  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 04:59 pm
Quote:
Fears over widespread riots in response to George Zimmerman verdict prove overblown
July 24, 2013
Associated Press

The predictions were dire: Black people would burn and loot America's cities if George Zimmerman was found not guilty. White people everywhere would be attacked in revenge for the killing of Trayvon Martin.

Judging from water-cooler conversations, social media and viral emails, many people took these warnings seriously — yet they proved to be largely wrong.

Community leaders and scholars say the overwhelmingly peaceful response to the Zimmerman verdict reflects increased opportunities for African-Americans, the powerful image of a black president voicing frustration with the verdict, and the modern ability to create change through activism and social media rather than a brick.

"There was the assumption that black people, Latino people, inner-city people are inherently violent, and that's the farthest thing from the truth," says Kevin Powell, whose BK Nation advocacy group helped organize peaceful marches involving thousands of people in New York City.

"They need to stop racially stereotyping people," Powell says. "It's the same thing George Zimmerman was engaging in. To automatically assume an explosion from the Zimmerman verdict — I don't think they understand black people."

The talk of violence originated long before the verdict with some conservative commentators, who said riots should be blamed on liberals who distorted facts to make Zimmerman look guilty. "Media's dishonest motives in Trayvon Martin case could end in riots," read one headline on Glenn Beck's website.

Speculation intensified when news broke that Florida police were preparing for possible unrest. Pundits highlighted dozens of tweets from average citizens threatening violence if Zimmerman was acquitted. Reminders circulated about a handful of "this is for Trayvon" assaults by black people when the case first gained national notice.

"I fully expect organized race rioting to begin in every major city to dwarf the Rodney King and the Martin Luther King riots," wrote former police officer Paul Huebl. "If you live in a large city be prepared to evacuate or put up a fight to win. You will need firearms, fire suppression equipment along with lots of food and water."...

John Baick, a history professor at Western New England University, says the Zimmerman trial is another skirmish in the battles over the direction of American culture.

"Use of the word 'riot' is talking about race without talking about race," Baick says. "It's like, look at 'them.'"

"The word riot says so much about fears, about assumptions," he says. "It's deep in our culture that we are afraid of 'them.'"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/24/fears-over-widespread-riots-in-response-to-george-zimmerman-verdict-prove/#ixzz2a0TN1AEm
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spendius
 
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Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:02 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Odd my wife and I had been carrying guns around for well over twenty years and have not killed anyone for some strange reason and a million or so of my fellow citizens in Florida are carrying around firearms legally and it is very rare for any of them to be used to kill anyone


I think that what RAB meant, Bill, was that they wanted to kill, had an urge, and the "strange reason" which inhibits them is the fuss which will be made if they give in to the urge. The law scares them out of it but does nothing about the urge which dribbles away in erotic fantasies and is rendered harmless.

Applying for a gun permit should be a disqualification on a background check. Catch 45.

I think that's what RAB has in mind.

If I were to be signing gun permits Mr Wayne LaPierre would be denied.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:11 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
was that they wanted to kill, had an urge, and the "strange reason" which inhibits them is the fuss which will be made if they give in to the urge. The law scares them out of it but does nothing about the urge which dribbles away in erotic fantasies and rendered harmless.


Interesting and having a fire extinguisher means that you have a secret desire to have a fire or having a back up generator means that you are secretly hoping that the power company will fail to do their job?

For myself I do not even enjoy watching the hunting channel yet alone having a desire to killed a fellow human being even it I am willing to do so if it is my life on the line as poor Zimmerman did when he was face with killing or being killed or serous harm by the poor "child" Trayvon.
spendius
 
  2  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:12 pm
@spendius,
It's not unlike when a bunch of old dears do Knees Up Mother Brown at the end of the Cricket Club New Year's Eve party.
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spendius
 
  2  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:16 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Interesting and having a fire extinguisher means that you have a secret desire to have a fire or having a back up generator means that you are secretly hoping that the power company will fail to do their job?


I don't think having a fire extinguisher represents a desire to have a fire but I daresay having a back up generator when all the neighbours are groping about in the dark can be quite good fun.
firefly
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:32 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
I am willing to do so if it is my life on the line as poor Zimmerman did when he was face with killing or being killed or serous harm by the poor "child" Trayvon

Zimmerman didn't need a gun that night--he needed the brains to observe the rules of being a neighborhood watch, which meant to call the police and not follow his "suspect"--he had a psychological need to play cop. He didn't need self-defense, he needed self-control, the impulse control to remain in his car until the police showed up.

If your judgment is as lousy as his is, you shouldn't be carrying a gun either.

Zimmerman caused a totally needless death. Had the asshole just sat in his car, and waited for the police, no one would have gotten hurt. There was no crime in progress, there was nothing urgent going on.

And, if Zimmerman hadn't racially profiled Martin, as a criminal, as soon as he spotted him, he might have considered the very real possibility that someone wandering around like that might be lost, or ill, and needed assistance. And, if he hadn't racially profiled Martin, he might have been able to control his own feelings of anger about those "f--king punks" so that he could remain in his car.

Zimmerman, a man with a past documented history of poor impulse control, particularly of his aggressive impulses, and of psychological problems which may well have affected his distorted perceptions and impaired judgment, couldn't be a worse example of why one needs to carry a gun.

You're really saying that those who lack brains and impulse control are the ones who need guns....

But those are the very people who shouldn't be carrying guns...

Zimmerman caused a totally needless death. Had he remained in his car, Trayvon Martin would have gotten home in time to watch the NBA game that night. And there was no rational reason he couldn't have remained in his car.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:56 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
hen all the neighbours are groping about in the dark can be quite good fun


Not as you end up playing at being a tiny power company for those neighbors but you can demand they go out and get more gasoline for you.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 09:44 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
A kid make a distasteful comment/threat in the middle of an online game chat and even put LOL and such at the end of the line and find himself locked up for 8 months with a bail of 500,000.

That case is really messed up. Have there been any recent developments, or is that poor kid still locked up?


BillRM wrote:
People stating openly that they will find out the jury IDs and killed their kids and it is so what the hell.

I think if there are a few more cases of self defense, the freaks will get the idea that they should back off.
cicerone imposter
 
  -2  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 09:53 pm
@oralloy,
Unless two freaks with guns have a shoot out (@ the okay corral).

Now, that I want to see! LOL
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 10:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Unless two freaks with guns have a shoot out (@ the okay corral).

Now, that I want to see! LOL
Will U be one of the freaks ??
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OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 11:01 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
I am willing to do so if it is my life on the line as poor Zimmerman did
when he was face with killing or being killed or serous harm by the poor "child" Trayvon
firefly wrote:
Zimmerman didn't need a gun that night . . .
Its a Bill of RIGHTS, not a bill of needs.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jul, 2013 11:09 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Interesting and having a fire extinguisher means that you have a secret desire to have a fire
or having a back up generator means that you are secretly hoping that the power company will fail to do their job?
That is BEAUTIFULLY WELL PUT, Bill; thank u.


or carrying health insurance
means that u r secretly hoping for a heart attack





David
BillRM
 
  2  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 03:09 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
That case is really messed up. Have there been any recent developments, or is that poor kid still locked up?


Some unknown person came up with the 500,000 bail to get him out of jail and there is an upcoming hearing where the lawyers are hoping to get the charges dismissed.

My guess is the DA is now hoping to get him to plead out to a minor charge so he would not be able to sue them.
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spendius
 
  2  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 03:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The comparison is false Dave. I have little doubt that there are tooled up people hoping somebody will give them an excuse to go into action.

What does "make my day" mean? What does "bring it on" mean?

Some firemen have been convicted of starting fires.

"The riot squad are restless, they need somewhere to go." (Bob Dylan).

I don't believe you used to be a lawyer if you persist in such a false comparison. A court would laugh at you.

There's the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 05:46 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Strangely enough, not everything Gunga says is ridiculous.
In America and the UK the system is adversarial,
not so on the continent where investigative magistrates are quite common.

Each system has its own merits.

I wonder what Oralboy would think, if he found out that his buddy Gunga
was proposing America adopt an Italian style legal system?
no harm, as long as it does not actually HAPPEN

Remember when the Italians condemned a seismologist to prison
for criminal negligence because there was an earthquake ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 05:52 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
They want the right to carry guns so they can kill something.
We have already had that right for centuries.
We need not "want the right" as u put it; we don't lack it.




RABEL222 wrote:
That's what self defense means to gun nuts.
But give them their just due, they don't care whether its black or white just so they can kill it.
Your efforts at mindreading
have been stupidly un-successful, 222.
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izzythepush
 
  0  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 05:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I do, damn seismologists and their doomsday devices.
firefly
 
  0  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 06:27 am
@spendius,
Quote:
I have little doubt that there are tooled up people hoping somebody will give them an excuse to go into action.

That describes George Zimmerman.

No one followed Zimmerman around that night, looking to commit a crime on him. He intentionally provoked an incident, with a kid who was minding his own business, that gave him an excuse to shoot and kill someone.

If the asshole hadn't a gun, he probably would have acted more rationally, controlled his impulses and emotions, and just waited in the car for the police to show up, or he would have continued his trip to Target. There was nothing criminal going on, nothing urgent, and no rational reason for him not to have remained in his car, just as the neighborhood watch rules require--he was not supposed to follow anyone, according to those neighborhood watch rules.

Zimmerman didn't need a gun that night, he needed brains and self-control.

His lack of brains and self-control caused a totally needless death.

The most important line of self defense is not a gun, it's good judgment.

That Zimmerman is held up as an example of why one needs a gun, is to suggest this need is the result of psychological disabilities on the part of the gun-toter that render him incapable of more mature and controlled and rational human behavior. Even a chimpanzee can pull a trigger.





OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 06:29 am
@izzythepush,
Its good 2 c u back again, Izzy.
I 'm flying to NY for a week or 2 tomorrow.
I hope that u 've been well.





David
 

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