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FEC Proposing New Rules That Would Cripple Bush Dissent

 
 
Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 08:11 pm
Dear MoveOn member,
Are you involved in a local or national non-profit or public interest organization? As a leader or board director or member? Please read this message carefully, because your organization could be facing a serious threat.

The Republican National Committee is pressing the Federal Election Commission ("FEC") to issue new rules that would cripple groups that dare to communicate with the public in any way critical of President Bush or members of Congress. Incredibly, the FEC has just issued -- for public comment -- proposed rules that would do just that. Any kind of non-profit -- conservative, progressive, labor, religious, secular, social service, charitable, educational, civic participation, issue-oriented, large, and small -- could be affected by these rules.

By the way, one thing FEC's proposed rules do not affect is the donations you may have made in the past or may make now to MoveOn.org or to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund. They are aimed at activist non-profit groups, not donors.

Operatives in Washington are displaying a terrifying disregard for the values of free speech and openness which underlie our democracy. Essentially, they are willing to pay any price to stop criticism of Bush administration policy.

We've attached materials below to help you make a public comment to the FEC before the comment period ends on APRIL 9th. Your comment could be very important, because normally the FEC doesn't get much public feedback.

Public comments to the FEC are encouraged by email at

[email protected]

Comments should be addressed to Ms. Mai T. Dinh, Acting Assistant General Counsel, and must include the full name, electronic mail address, and postal service address of the commenter.

More details can be found at:

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2004/20040312rulemaking.html

We'd love to see a copy of your public comment. Please email us a copy at [email protected].

Whether or not you're with a non-profit, we also suggest you ask your representatives to write a letter to the FEC opposing the rule change.

Some key points:

- Campaign finance reform was not meant to gag public interest organizations.
- Political operatives are trying to silence opposition to Bush policy.
- The Federal Election Commission has no legal right to treat non-profit interest groups as political committees. Congress and the courts have specifically considered and rejected such regulation.

You can reach your representatives at:

Senator Dianne Feinstein
Phone: 202-224-3841


Senator Barbara Boxer
Phone: 202-224-3553


Congressman Elton Gallegly
Phone: 202-225-5811


Please let us know you're calling, at:

http://www.moveon.org/callmade.html?id=2541-3953530-VWYkmJb9PwqnagK2_2jGTg

In a non-election year, this kind of administrative overreach would never find support. It goes far beyond any existing law or precedent. It is a serious threat to the fundamental checks and balances in our system. But because of an unholy alliance between a few campaign reform groups and GOP partisans, this rule change could actually happen if we don't act now.

I've attached more details below, prepared by our attorneys and by the FEC Working Group -- a group of more than 500 respected non-profit organizations.

If you run a non-profit, don't assume this change doesn't apply to you. First check out the EXAMPLES OF SPECIFIC CONSEQUENCES FOR NONPROFIT GROUPS section below. It's outrageous.

Thanks for all you do,

Sincerely,
--Wes Boyd
MoveOn.org
March 30th, 2004
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EXAMPLES OF SPECIFIC CONSEQUENCES FOR NONPROFIT GROUPS

Under the proposed rules, nonprofit organizations that advocate for cancer research, gun and abortion restrictions or rights, fiscal discipline, tax reform, poverty issues, immigration reform, the environment, or civil rights or liberties - all these organizations could be transformed into political committees if they criticize or commend members of Congress or the President based on their official actions or policy positions.

Such changes would cripple the ability of groups to raise and spend funds in pursuit of their mission and could be so ruinous that organizations would be forced to back away from meaningful conversations about public policies that affect millions of Americans.

If the proposed rules were adopted, the following organizations would be treated as federal political committees and therefore could not receive grants from any corporation, even an incorporated nonprofit foundation, from any union, or from any individual in excess of $5,000 per year:

- A 501(c)(4) gun rights organization that spends $50,000 on ads at any time during this election year criticizing any legislator, who also happens to be a federal candidate, for his or her position on gun control measures.

- A "good government" organization [§501(c)(3)] that spends more than $50,000 to research and publish a report criticizing several members of the House of Representatives for taking an all-expense trip to the Bahamas as guests of the hotel industry.

- A fund [§527] created by a tax reform organization to provide information to the public regarding federal candidates' voting records on budget issues.

- A civil rights organization [§501(c)(3) or §501(c)(4)] that spends more than $50,000 to conduct non-partisan voter registration activities in Hispanic and African-American communities after July 5, 2004.

- An organization devoted to the environment that spends more than $50,000 on communications opposing oil drilling in the Arctic and identifying specific Members of Congress as supporters of the legislation, if those Members are running for re-election.

- A civic organization [§501(c)(6)] that spends $50,000 during 2004 to send letters to all registered voters in the community urging them to vote on November 2, 2004 because "it is your civic duty."

Other potential ramifications include the following situations:

- A religious organization that publishes an election-year legislative report card covering all members of Congress on a broad range of issues would be unable to accept more than $5,000 from any individual donor if the report indicated whether specific votes were good or bad.

- A 501(c)(3) organization that primarily encourages voter registration and voting among young people will be required to re-create itself as a federal PAC.

- A 501(c)(4) pro-life group that accepts contributions from local businesses would break the law by using its general funds to pay for any communications critical of an incumbent Senator's position on abortion rights after the Senator had officially declared himself for reelection more than a year before the next election.

- A 501(c)(3) civil rights group that has been designated as a political committee can no longer hold its annual fundraiser at a corporate-donated facility, and it must refuse donations or grants from donors that have already given $5,000 for that year.

BRIEFING ON THE PROPOSED RULE CHANGES

Under federal campaign finance laws, federal "political committees" must register and file reports with the FEC and can accept contributions only from individual persons (and other federal committees), and only up to $5,000 per year from any one donor ("hard money"). The FEC is now proposing to redefine "political committee" to include any group that:

1. Spends more than $1,000 this year on nonpartisan voter registration or get out the vote activity or on any ad, mailing or phone bank that "promotes, supports, attacks or opposes" any federal candidate; and

2. Supposedly has a "major purpose" of election of a federal candidate as shown by:

(a) Saying anything in its press releases, materials, website, etc. that might lead regulators to conclude that the group's "major purpose" is to influence the election of any federal candidate; or

(b) Spending more than $50,000 this year or in any of the last 4 years for any nonpartisan voter registration or get out the vote program, or on any public communication that "promotes, supports, attacks or opposes" any federal candidate.

What's more, any group that gets turned into a federal "political committee" under these new rules has to shut down all its communications critical of President Bush (or any other federal candidate) until it sets up "federal" and "non-federal" accounts; and raises enough hard money contributions to "repay" the federal account for the amounts spent on all those communications since the beginning of 2003.

These proposed rules would apply to all types of groups: 501(c)(3) charitable organizations, 501(c)(4) advocacy organizations, labor unions, trade associations and non-federal political committees and organizations (so-called "527" groups, as well as state PACs, local political clubs, etc.).

The new rules, including those that apply to voter engagement, cover all types of communications -- not just broadcast TV or radio ads -- but messages in any form, such as print ads, mailings, phone banks, email alerts like this one, websites, leaflets, speeches, posters, tabling, even knocking on doors.

The FEC will hold a public hearing on April 14 & 15. Written comments are due by April 5 if the group wants to testify at that hearing; otherwise, by April 9. The FEC plans to make its final decision on these proposed rules by mid-May and they could go into effect as early as July, right in the middle of the election year, potentially retroactive to January 2003.

It's clear that these rules would immediately silence thousands of groups, of all types, who have raised questions and criticisms of any kind about the Bush Administration, its record and its policies.

SOME TALKING POINTS

- The FEC should not change the rules for nonprofit advocacy in the middle of an election year, especially in ways that Congress already considered and rejected. Implementing these changes now would go far beyond what Congress decided and the Supreme Court upheld.

- These rules would shut down the legitimate activities of nonprofit organizations of all kinds that the FEC has no authority at all to regulate.

- Nothing in the McCain-Feingold campaign reform law or the Supreme Court's decision upholding it provides any basis for these rules. That law is only about banning federal candidates from using unregulated contributions ("soft money"), and banning political parties from doing so, because of their close relationship to those candidates. It's clear that, with one exception relating to running broadcast ads close to an election, the new law wasn't supposed to change what independent nonprofit interest groups can do, including political organizations (527's) that have never before been subject to regulation by the FEC.

- The FEC can't fix the problems with these proposed rules just by imposing new burdens on section 527 groups. They do important issue education and advocacy as well as voter mobilization. And Congress clearly decided to require those groups to fully and publicly disclose their finances, through the IRS and state agencies, not to restrict their independent activities and speech. The FEC has no authority to go further.

- In the McConnell opinion upholding McCain-Feingold, the U.S. Supreme Court clearly stated that the law's limits on unregulated corporate, union and large individual contributions apply to political parties and not interest groups. Congress specifically considered regulating 527 organization three times in the last several years - twice through the Internal Revenue Code and once during the BCRA debate - and did not subject them to McCain-Feingold.

- The FEC should not, in a few weeks, tear up the fabric of tax-exempt law that has existed for decades and under which thousands of nonprofit groups have structured their activities and their governance. The Internal Revenue Code already prohibits 501(c)(3) charities from intervening in political candidate campaigns, and IRS rules for other 501(c) groups prohibit them from ever having a primary purpose to influence any candidate elections -- federal, state, or local.

- As an example of how seriously the new FEC rules contradict the IRS political and lobbying rules for nonprofits, consider this: Under the 1976 public charity lobbying law, a 501(c)(3) group with a $1.5 million annual budget can spend $56,250 on grassroots lobbying, including criticism of a federal incumbent candidate in the course of lobbying on a specific bill. That same action under the new FEC rules would cause the charity to be regulated as a federal political committee, with devastating impact on its finances and perhaps even loss of its tax-exempt status.

- The chilling effect of the proposed rules on free speech cannot be overstated. Merely expressing an opinion about an officeholder's policies could turn a nonprofit group OVERNIGHT into a federally regulated political committee with crippling fund-raising restrictions.

- Under the most draconian proposal, the FEC would "look back" at a nonprofit group's activities over the past four years - before McCain-Feingold was ever passed and the FEC ever proposed these rules - to determine whether a group's activities qualify it as a federal political committee. If so, the FEC would require a group to raise hard money to repay prior expenses that are now subject to the new rules. Further work would be halted until debts to the "old" organization were repaid. This rule would jeopardize the survival of many groups.

- The 4 year "look back" rule would cause a nonprofit group that criticized or praised the policies of Bush, Cheney, McCain, or Gore in 2000, or any Congressional incumbent candidate in 2000 or 2002, to be classified as a political committee now, even though the group has not done so since then. This severely violates our constitutional guarantees of due process.

- These changes would impoverish political debate and could act as a de facto "gag rule" on public policy advocacy. They would insulate public officials from substantive criticism for their positions on policy issues. They would actually diminish civic participation in government rather than strengthen it. This would be exactly the opposite result intended by most supporters of campaign finance reform.

- The FEC's proposed rule changes would dramatically impair vigorous debate about important national issues. It would hurt nonprofit groups across the political spectrum and restrict First Amendment freedoms in ways that are unhealthy for our democracy.

- Any kind of nonprofit -- conservative, liberal, labor, religious, secular, social service, charitable, educational, civic participation, issue-oriented, large, and small -- could be affected by these rules. A vast number would be essentially silenced on the issues that define them, whether they are organized as 501(c)(3), 501(c)(4), or 527 organizations.

- Already, more than five hundred nonprofit organizations - including many that supported McCain-Feingold like ourselves - have voiced their opposition to the FEC's efforts to restrict advocacy in the name of campaign finance reform.

FOR MORE INFORMATION

Resources on FEC Proposed Rule Changes Threatening Nonprofit Advocacy
FEC Working Group
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oId=14670

From two prominent reform organizations:

Soft Money and the FEC
Common Cause
http://www.commoncause.org/news/default.cfm?ArtID=282

Public Campaign Statement regarding FEC Draft Advisory Opinion 2003-37
Public Campaign
http://www.publiccampaign.org/pressroom/pressreleases/release2004/statement02-17-04.htm



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fishin
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 09:40 pm
lol Perhaps the folks at MoveOn never heard of the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act?

Oh wait, I take that back. I know they've heard of it because if it hadn't been for that law passing they wouldn't exist.

Everyone in this country screamed for campaign finance reforms to get big money out of politics. The Congress finally did something about it after years of delays and then groups like MoveOn formed specifically to skirt those laws.

Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for MoveOn. And the notion that this proposed change only cripples dissent aginst Bush is nothing but nonsense. While it may force every group listed to register as a PAC it also forces every single group on the opposite side of each and every issue to do the exact same thing.

The only reason the people at MoveOn are concerned is because the paid staff at MoveOn will end up getting cut - just like the paid staff at every other lobbying group will. Our political system doesn't exist just to keep lobbyist employed.
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Titus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 10:29 pm
Thanks Windtamer for the heads up.

Slowly, our rights and liberties are being eroded by the Bush administration. Usually under the guise of "national security" or some such thing.

Your thread reminded me of a story I read about an American meanie who dared to flip-off King George during a campaign stop in Austin, TX.

The miscreant was apprehended by the Secret Service and handed over to local police to face charges.

This, is George W. Bush's Amerika.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 10:34 pm
bookmark
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 11:23 pm
Titus wrote:
Slowly, our rights and liberties are being eroded by the Bush administration. Usually under the guise of "national security" or some such thing.

What part of "McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act" is the fault of the Bush administration? It was passed in Congress, for heaven's sake. Your attempts to blame everything on our President are lame.

Gun Owners of America has been campaigning against this bill for quite a while, without success. I don't understand how it could be constitutional - seems like a free speech issue to me.
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Windtamer
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 11:56 pm
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What part of "McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act" is the fault of the Bush administration? It was passed in Congress, for heaven's sake.


Congress has a Republican majority right now, so is the Senate and the House. This is the first time in history that one party has ruled the whole government. This notice is not only blaming Bush but the entire RNC.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 11:57 pm
Congress is much different from the Bush Administration. They are two different branches of government.
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Windtamer
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 12:03 am
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Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for MoveOn. And the notion that this proposed change only cripples dissent aginst Bush is nothing but nonsense. While it may force every group listed to register as a PAC it also forces every single group on the opposite side of each and every issue to do the exact same thing.


This is a freedom of speech issue. MoveOn has no affiliation with Kerry. They don't like Bush politics and want to tell the world about it. Furthermore, they are'nt breaking the current rules as they are not endorsing Kerry. In my opinion private organizations should be able to put out commercials that further their interest. Afterall Rush Limbaugh and Sean Insanity announce their beliefs on a daily basis just not in commercial format.
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Windtamer
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 12:05 am
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Congress is much different from the Bush Administration. They are two different branches of government.


Yeah in a perfect world it would work like that, but it don't. The fact is they all share the same agenda and publicly and privately work together to further their goals.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 12:10 am
And that statement also applies to MoveOn and Kerry. If you're against Bush, then by definition you are for his opponent. Kerry and MoveOn definitely share the same agenda - to defeat Bush.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:51 am
Windtamer wrote:
This is a freedom of speech issue. MoveOn has no affiliation with Kerry. They don't like Bush politics and want to tell the world about it. Furthermore, they are'nt breaking the current rules as they are not endorsing Kerry. In my opinion private organizations should be able to put out commercials that further their interest. Afterall Rush Limbaugh and Sean Insanity announce their beliefs on a daily basis just not in commercial format.



You stated right here exactly what they are doing "Furthermore, they are'nt breaking the current rules as they are not endorsing Kerry.". Exactly. They can't come out and directly endorse Kerry because then they'd have to register. They've skirted that requirement by simply not mentioning Kerry and instead taking and endorsing every single position Kerry takes on each issue and promoting those. Just as you responded earlier RE: Bush and the Congress; "The fact is they all share the same agenda and publicly and privately work together to further their goals."

Do you really think people are so dumb that they don't see exactly what they are doing? They are exploiting a loophole in McCain-Feingold just as was predicted when McCain-Feingold was up for debate. The proposed rule change closes that loophole and it effects groups on both sides of every single issue equeally.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:14 am
As long as both sides have to play by exactly the same rules, then this is fair. I heard an interview with the head of the federal election committee where he said that he didn't think the MoveOn ads violated the law. In that case, there should be a conservative group buying billions of dollars of TV and radio ads urging people not to vote for any Presidential candidate whose last name rhymes with "Dairy." Laughing
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:40 am
To state that this is the first time in history that one party has ruled the government is patently false. Thomas Jefferson's Republican Party was the only party in the nation after the John Adams admininstration. When Jackson transformed it into the Democratic party, and John Quincy Adams was defeated, the primacy of the Democrats rose even further, as the old Federalists and the financial interests were in political disarray. The attempt to found a National Republican Party failed. The Whig party managed to win a few offices from time to time, but throughout the first half of the 19th century, the Democratic party frequently dominated both houses of Congress and the White House.

In my own lifetime, Eisenhower presided over a Republican Congress, and Lyndon Johnson presided over a Democratic Congress.

Although i suspect that you and i are in ideological sympathy, Windtamer, i would suggest to you that you do your cause no good by positing patently false statements about politics in America.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 10:24 am
GOP Accuses Kerry of Using Soft MoneyAssociated Press

(good, it's about time they took some action)
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 10:48 am
Re: FEC Proposing New Rules That Would Cripple Bush Dissent
Windtamer wrote:
Under the proposed rules, nonprofit organizations that advocate for cancer research, gun and abortion restrictions or rights, fiscal discipline, tax reform, poverty issues, immigration reform, the environment, or civil rights or liberties - all these organizations could be transformed into political committees if they criticize or commend members of Congress or the President based on their official actions or policy positions.


I am seriously concerned about the attitude of this administration toward civil liberties and the rule of law on a number of issues. I am also a charter member of the ABB crowd (from his first day in office). But if an organization is going to take a position, collect money and run ads on any specific candidate or office holder in an election. Positions and activities that will contribute directly to that candidate's election or defeat, why should they not be considered a political committee?
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fairandbalanced
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 07:01 am
Tarantula Says
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As long as both sides have to play by exactly the same rules, then this is fair. I heard an interview with the head of the federal election committee where he said that he didn't think the MoveOn ads violated the law. In that case, there should be a conservative group buying billions of dollars of TV and radio ads urging people not to vote for any Presidential candidate whose last name rhymes with "Dairy."


You say that "there should be a conservative group buying billions of dollars of TV and radio ads". I say let the conservative group do it then as long as they are following campaign finance laws. I doubt they will because there are already many forms of media that the conservatives are using for their propaganda. Cool

Tarantula Says
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And that statement also applies to MoveOn and Kerry. If you're against Bush, then by definition you are for his opponent. Kerry and MoveOn definitely share the same agenda - to defeat Bush.


Umm No. Razz "by definition you are for his opponent". What planet are you from? A group sharing the same agenda as Kerry does not mean they are coordinating with Kerry. It does not mean MoveOn.org is for Kerry. MoveOn.org is simply tired of Bush's policies and continuing arrogance, so they are blasting Bush in their ads. That does not mean they are for Kerry. There are many MoveOn.org members that are Libertarians, Nader-supporters, Green Party advocates and pissed off Republicans. They are all saying the same thing that Bush has got to go back to Crawford where he belongs. Laughing

Tarantula Says

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Congress is much different from the Bush Administration. They are two different branches of government.


Congress is different from the Bush Administration (executive branch) but when both House and Senate are GOP dominated, Bush's policies will go forward and dominate the Congress agenda. The GOP party shares the agendas of both Bush and the republicans in Congress. That is not hard to figure out. You should know better than to use that excuse. Razz

fishin' says
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The Congress finally did something about it after years of delays and then groups like MoveOn formed specifically to skirt those laws.


MoveOn skirting laws? What laws? What part of McCain-Feingold Act (Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act) is MoveOn skirting. Hello? MoveOn.org is acting within the letter of the law. There is nowhere in the McCain-Feingold Act (BCRA) that says groups like MoveOn and Media Fund (527 Organizations) are subjected to its regulations. The U.S. Supreme Court clearly stated that the law's limits on unregulated corporate, union and large individual contributions apply to political parties and not interest groups like MoveOn.org. Congress specifically considered regulating 527 organizations 3 times in the last several years. Congress did this twice through the Internal Revenue Code and once during the BCRA debate. In all instances Congress did not subject them to McCain-Feingold.

That is why the republicans are now trying to 'change' the FEC rules in mid election year because groups like MoveOn are acting within the campaign finance laws. If the GOP wants groups like MoveOn.org to be subjected to their newly proposed changes. They should go back to Congress and enact a different law suiting their wishes. The FEC is subjected to the laws of the nation which are passed by Congress. Changing FEC rules in mid-election year is very partisan not too mention illegal. Groups like MoveOn.org and Media Fund have always been subjected to the same laws and regulations for decades. It seems very 'fishy' that the GOP would try to do this so close to the election.

fishin' also says

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Perhaps the folks at MoveOn never heard of the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act? Oh wait, I take that back. I know they've heard of it because if it hadn't been for that law passing they wouldn't exist.


First of all, get your facts straight. The MoveOn organization was founded in 1998 by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd long before the passage of McCain-Feingold bill in March 2002. They found our government's preoccupation with the impeachment of Clinton a ridiculous waste of our nation's time and money. On September 18 1998, they launched an online petition to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation" That is where MoveOn.org's name came from. Now once again they are disgusted by Bush's preoccupation with Iraq's oil resources, its connection to the corrupt Saudi Royal Family and constant fear tactics. They want to 'move on' to the real issues facing our nation like jobs, civil rights, terrorism, environment, energy crisis, and media consolidation.

By the way the official name of that McCain-Feingold bill is the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA). BCRA was enacted and signed by Bush on March 27, 2002. It passed the House on February 14, 2002 and was ratified by the Senate on March 22, 2002.

So your opinion of "if it hadn't been for that law passing they wouldn't exist" simply isn't true. Razz

*** By the way***

Tarantula conveniently posted an article by Sharon Theimer of the Associated Press called "GOP Accuses Kerry of Using Soft Money"
Tarantula also conveniently 'excluded' some parts of the article. Some parts were basically missing. Laughing

** Here is the real article and complete with ALL of its original content.
The missing sentences are marked with --> arrows
Next time you cite other people's work, don't insult them by omitting parts of it. This might seem insignificant to you but it is unethical what you did Laughing

GOP accuses Democrats of funneling 'soft money' into election
By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press
Published March 31, 2004

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush's campaign and the GOP on Wednesday accused Democrat John Kerry's campaign of illegally coordinating political ads and get-out-the-vote activities with independent groups.

The Bush campaign and RNC said they would file a complaint with the Federal Election Commission accusing Kerry and pro-Kerry groups of violating a campaign law that broadly bans the use of "soft money" - corporate, union and unlimited individual donations - to influence federal elections.

The Bush campaign and GOP say pro-Kerry groups are illegally spending soft money in the presidential race, and that Kerry's campaign is illegally coordinating that spending. The groups have contended they are operating legally.

--> Kerry campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter accused Republicans of political gamesmanship. <--

--> "We take the law very seriously. Republicans can't stand the fact the American people want change, so now they are playing politics with the law," Cutter said. <--

Groups such as the MoveOn.org Voter Fund and the Media Fund, which work on behalf of Democrats but independently of the Kerry campaign, have been running ads this month criticizing Bush in several battleground states. Kerry, too, has been airing ads in key states, but on a much smaller scale.

--> Wes Boyd, president of MoveOn, said in a statement: "We do not coordinate with the Kerry campaign. These charges are baseless and irresponsible." <--

The coordination complaint is the second complaint the Bush campaign has filed against the groups. The FEC can take months or even years to resolve complaints.

The campaign in early March asked the FEC to investigate soft money spending by the Media Fund on anti-Bush ads. The Media Fund, using large individual donations to fund its ads, argues its activities are legal.

When the Media Fund and MoveOn ran ads in mid-March, the Bush campaign called them "bitter partisan groups." The two groups have helped Democrats match Bush ad for ad in key media markets.

The Republican complaints come as the commission considers placing broad new limits on soft money spending by tax-exempt political groups.

Its decision could have the greatest short-term effect on Democrats, whose party depended more heavily on soft money than the GOP did before the law banned national party committees from collecting it.

The Republican Party collects millions of dollars more than the Democratic Party in limited donations from individuals allowed under the law. Bush, meanwhile, has raised more than $170 million, more than twice as much as Kerry has.

Trying to counter those advantages, several Democratic activists set up partisan groups to spend soft money after the law banned the parties from doing so in November 2002.

Campaign finance watchdogs often call such groups "shadow parties" because they have taken on types of spending the parties used to have soft money to finance, such as get-out-the-vote drives and political ads.

Republicans have also created such groups, but so far they have not been as prolific in their efforts as Democrats have.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 07:34 am
fairandbalanced wrote:
MoveOn.org is simply tired of Bush's policies and continuing arrogance, so they are blasting Bush in their ads. That does not mean they are for Kerry. There are many MoveOn.org members that are Libertarians, Nader-supporters, Green Party advocates and pissed off Republicans. They are all saying the same thing that Bush has got to go back to Crawford where he belongs. Laughing


Which is exactly why they are violating the 527 rule. Under 527, a group can't advocate for any specific candidate or AGAINST any specific candidate. By your own admission here that is exactly what they are doing.

fairandbalanced wrote:
fishin' says
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The Congress finally did something about it after years of delays and then groups like MoveOn formed specifically to skirt those laws.


MoveOn skirting laws? What laws? What part of McCain-Feingold Act (Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act) is MoveOn skirting. Hello? MoveOn.org is acting within the letter of the law. There is nowhere in the McCain-Feingold Act (BCRA) that says groups like MoveOn and Media Fund (527 Organizations) are subjected to its regulations.


Perhaps you should spend a little time studying basic English idioms? The term "skirt" means to violate the basic intent while still falling within the letter of the law.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 09:49 am
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fairandbalanced
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 10:18 am
fishin' says
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Which is exactly why they are violating the 527 rule. Under 527, a group can't advocate for any specific candidate or AGAINST any specific candidate. By your own admission here that is exactly what they are doing.


You obviously do not know what in the world you are talking about. Laughing Okay, let me spell it out for you once again. I know it may be hard for you to comprehend certain words and phrases but hear me out. The 527 rule is a code given to the groups by the IRS defining them as political organizations that are "organized and operated primarily for the purpose of directly or indirectly accepting contributions or making expenditures, or both, for an exempt function." Okay. The exempt function as quoted refers to the political organization that "is influencing or attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election or appointment of an individual to a federal, state, or local public office or office in a political organization." That political organization is freed from certain obligations, duties, or liabilities to which other political organizations are subjected to. Okay, do you get it now? Laughing The 527 rule or IRS code makes groups like MoveOn.org what they are. It clearly states their primary purpose. The primary purpose of a 527 group is to INFLUENCE the election or appointment of a candidate.
Now the real question is how much money should these "527" groups be receiving from their contributors. That is what the FEC is going to decide before the presidential election. That is why the RNC is calling on the FEC to impose NEW REGULATIONS and SEVERELY RESTRICT THE FUNDRAISING AND SPENDING ACTIVITIES of "527" groups.

Under the McCain-Feingold Act or Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA), they are not subjected to restrictions under that law. The Congress and the Supreme Court dealt with this issue already and it did not subject "527" groups to the same regulations that other groups are subjected to.

I seriously hope you understood what I wrote because I'm not going to explain it to you again. Laughing
By the way, here is the official IRS Code for 527 groups. It came directly from the IRS website. Next time, don't just rely on GOP publications.

IRS.gov

A political organization subject to 527 is a party, committee, association, fund, or other organization (whether or not incorporated) organized and operated primarily for the purpose of directly or indirectly accepting contributions or making expenditures, or both, for an exempt function. The exempt function of a political organization is influencing or attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election or appointment of an individual to a federal, state, or local public office or office in a political organization.

A political organization must be organized for the primary purpose of carrying on exempt function activities. A political organization does not need to be formally chartered or established as a corporation, trust, or association. A separate bank account in which political campaign funds are deposited and disbursed only for political campaign expenses can qualify as a political organization. When there are no formal organizational documents, consideration is given to statements of the members of the organization at the time of its formation that they intend to operate the organization primarily to carry on exempt function activities.

A political organization's primary activities must be exempt function activities. A political organization may engage in activities that are not exempt function activities, but these may not be its primary activities.
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fishin' says
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Perhaps you should spend a little time studying basic English idioms? The term "skirt" means to violate the basic intent while still falling within the letter of the law.


Laughing Okay, you just doomed yourself with that argument. Perhaps you should be studying the law you are always refering to. When you "skirt" a law, YOU DO NOT VIOLATE IT. Intent is not specifically mentioned or legislated in this particular case. When you skirt a law, you narrowly avoided violating that law. Therefore, YOU DID NOT VIOLATE THE LAW.

You and other conservatives bring up "skirt those laws" like it matters legally. It will not get you in trouble in a court of law IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. Intent is not specifically legislated or mentioned in that law. So in this case IT DOES NOT MATTER. That is why the RNC is trying to CHANGE THE LAW AND ADD NEW REGULATIONS BEFORE THE ELECTION. That is why conservative radio hosts and publications are always IMPLYING that groups like MoveOn.org are doing things illegally.

The MoveOn organization was founded in 1998 by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd LONG BEFORE THE PASSAGE OF THE BIPARTISAN CAMPAIGN REFORM ACT on March 27, 2002. They found our government's preoccupation with the impeachment of Clinton a ridiculous waste of our nation's time and money. That is why MoveOn was formed. On September 18 1998, they launched an online petition to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation" That is where MoveOn.org's name came from. Now once again they are disgusted by Bush's preoccupation with Iraq's oil resources, its connection to the corrupt Saudi Royal Family and constant fear tactics. They want to 'move on' to the real issues facing our nation like jobs, civil rights, terrorism, environment, energy crisis, and media consolidation.


In case you don't know the meaning of skirt, here are a few examples from Websters dictionary

Websters Dictionary
Definition of "skirt"

1 : to form or run along the border or edge of : BORDER
2 a : to provide a skirt for b : to furnish a border or shield for
3 a : TO GO OR PASS AROUND or about; specifically : to go around or keep away from in order to avoid danger or discovery b : to AVOID especially because of difficulty or fear of controversy <skirted the issue> c : to EVADE or MISS BY A NARROW MARGIN
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