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Paula Dean Fired By Food Network Over Racial Slur

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:06 pm
@BillRM,
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You are nothing more then a sadist that are not able to be honest about your desires to see suffering so you look for excuses/reasons to help cause and support that suffering.

Human jackals and little else going crazy over the smell of blood of an old white southern woman.



http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/6/9/0/6/6/a2071971-72-Laugh%20TomJerry.gif?d=1221831828

Good grief, are you a drama queen.

I think you're going completely off the rails.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:07 pm
@BillRM,
You're dumber than a door nail. A word of advise; quit while you're behind. You only make yourself look dumber than you seem on a2k.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:12 pm
@firefly,
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PUSH/Rainbow went down there recently, for a day or two, and after speaking with workers or ex-workers that's what they found.


Zero names even of ex-employees how odd indeed.

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hey were reluctant to complain because they were afraid they wouldn't be able to get employment elsewhere if they did.


That one hell of a good excuse that all of these mistreated blacks are all repeat all too fearful to talk on the record but it does not hold water.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
An you are making yourself look like what you are a human jackal who get off on joining in the attacks on anyone who been declare fair game.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:21 pm
@BillRM,
Are you trying to interfere with CI's freedom of speech? Laughing

Are you telling him he's not being "PC"? Laughing

Aren't people entitled to dislike Paula Deen for any reason they choose to?

Who are you--the morality police? Laughing

Get off your high horse, BillRM.

Consider yourself hoisted by your own petard. Laughing




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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:23 pm
@BillRM,
Fair game? What in hell are you talking about. She's the one who allowed slander and sexual harassment of workers in her restaurant. That's not only immoral but illegal in this country.

She's not "fair game." She's a criminal running a business. Racial discrimination and sexual harassment in the workplace are crimes.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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She's the one who allowed slander and sexual harassment of workers in her restaurant. That's not only immoral but illegal in this country.


We do not need courts or proof when it come to southern whites and claims related to racism as all southern whites are guilt of any such charges.

Once more if you wish to see a bigot try looking into a mirror
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:36 pm
@BillRM,
You don't even understand the definition of "bigot."
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
BillRM was probably a big supporter of Mel Gibson after Gibson let loose with his racist and anti-Semitic rants, and suffered a lot of bad publicity when they became known--the William Morris Agency dropped him, his films were boycotted, he was removed from one film because the cast and crew didn't want to be involved with him, etc... I'm sure BillRM rushed to defend him, because the poor guy was getting kicked when he was down and was "fair game". That's his idea of supporting the underdog. Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You don't even understand the definition of "bigot."


If the person is a white southern and born and raised before the civil right movement he or she must be a racist.

An if such a person is charge with being a racist no solid proof is needed.

That kind of anti group thinking is indeed a fine example of bigotry thinking.

The group that is the target can have white skin as well as black skin.

So you are in fact no better then a KKK member who think that all blacks are criminals until maybe proven otherwise.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 07:55 pm
@BillRM,
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That kind of anti group thinking is indeed a fine example of bigotry thinking.

Yes, you gave everyone an excellent example of that with your own views of all Muslims and all Muslim-Americans
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 08:06 pm
@firefly,
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I think Deen did pay her workers well--somewhat more than the other restaurants in the area. That provided some incentive for them to put up with verbal abuse. Also, Deen has such clout in the area, they were reluctant to complain because they were afraid they wouldn't be able to get employment elsewhere if they did.

PUSH/Rainbow went down there recently, for a day or two, and after speaking with workers or ex-workers that's what they found. They plan on doing a fuller investigation, to look for possible civil rights violations in Deen's restaurants, based on what they've already heard.


If you're accurate in that PUSH/Rainbow investigated the wages of the Deen employees, then perhaps you're correct in that she paid them well.

With respect to Deen, personally I see the woman as a caricature of an intensely southern woman in all her racist glory who has been cocooned so long among those who think exactly the way she does, she's unable to see anything vulgar or degrading in her actions. She might have called her workers the "N" word while joking with them simultaneously. No doubt this bigot is authentic; when I heard she wanted little black children and older black men to dress up evocative of slavery time for a forthcoming event she planned...I was really surprised. It's as if Deen believes African Americans are subhuman. What manner female is she in today's 2013?!?! Our society is evolving regarding ethnics, demographic changes are upon us, but Deen is being left behind. The ultimate insult was exhibited during an interview with an anchor when she referred to a "black friend in her life, Hollis, who is as black as this board." She pointed to "Hollis" and said "come over here, Hollis, we can't see you standing next to that dark board." Yikes! Not only is the woman a full-fledged racist, she's an A-1 DUMMY!
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 08:51 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I found you some more info
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Paula Deen Scandal Continues As Employees Tell Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Of Alleged Discrimination

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
By Fran Jeffries and Wayne Washington
06/24/2013
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An attorney for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition said current and former Paula Deen employees told him the famous cook and her brother discriminated against black employees, one of whom was consistently referred to as "my little monkey."

After Deen acknowledged using a racial slur, the story went viral and the Food Network announced on Friday that it would not renew her contract when it expires at the end of June.

Deen and her brother, Bubba Hiers, are being sued by Lisa T. Jackson, a former employee who claims she endured a hostile work environment replete with racial slurs.

Robert Patillo, an attorney for Rainbow/PUSH, a civil rights group founded by the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Jr., said one current and two former employees told him white employees are routinely paid more than black employees and are promoted more quickly. A black man who had threatened to go to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission said Deen's brother told him "you don't have any civil rights here," Rainbow/PUSH said in a press release.

Rainbow/PUSH said it has "found evidence of systemic racial discimination and harassment" by Deen and that "a family member consistently referred to a black cook as 'my little monkey.'"

Patillo, who conducted interviews in Savannah where Deen's restaurant is located, said current and former employees told him that Deen "preferred white and light-skinned blacks to work with customers" and that darker-skinned blacks were relegated to "back-of-the-house operations."

Patillo said employees have been reluctant to talk to him about their experience with Deen because they fear retaliation...

Patillo said there are strong indications that Deen's operation mistreats and limits opportunities for black employees.

"What we've found is that there has been disparate treatment," Patillo said. "What we'd like is to have her remedy the situation."

Those remedies, Patillo said, should include giving blacks a fair chance for employment and promotion, sensitivity training and providing an avenue of recourse for those who have been mistreated.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/paula-deen-scandal-continues-employees-tell-rainbow-push-alleged-discrimination_n_3484607.html


This is from today, and it reports positive aspects of Deen's restaurants as well
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Jackson group: Deen's grades mixed
June 29, 2013
By Jan Skutch

Attorneys for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition on Saturday said a two-week probe of working conditions at Paula Deen’s restaurants found positive response regarding conditions and the family-orientated environment.

But that same investigation found complaints of racial discrimination and gender bias, they said.

“We still haven’t gotten her side of it,” Atlanta attorney Robert Patillo said before a news conference outside of First African Baptist Church on Franklin Square. “We hope to help Ms. Deen moving forward.”

The Rev. Jesse Jackson’s group came here after requests from current and former Deen employees, and Patillo said he spoke with about 20 people since coming here.

Fellow Atlanta attorney Janice Mathis said a number of large corporations have sought the assistance of the group but few make the news as Deen has. She said they had no desire to be consultants to Deen.

Mathis said some of Deen’s problems stem from what the study found was a business that had grown too fast to put in proper human resources safeguards, a situation in which she hoped to see improvement.

Referring to Deen’s appearance Wednesday on NBC’s “Today” show, Mathis said she found Deen’s comment, “I is what I is and I‘m not changing” was “inconsistent with continuous improvement and that is why we’re here today.”

She said the group’s work in Savannah was aimed at improving Deen’s structure and correcting the weaknesses they found.

“She shouldn’t be put in purgatory forever,” Mathis said.

She said the investigation did not focus on the “N” word, but on more systemic patterns of how people were treated.

Deen has come under constant criticism for admitting in a deposition that she used the “N” word some 30 years ago. Most of her corporate “partners” have dropped or distanced themselves from her in the almost two weeks since that surfaced.

Mathis said Deen has had conversations with Jackson and that she expects to see a plan in place “within the next few days” on how they will address the issues.

Afterward, Patillo said his groups did not “want to demonize anybody,” but wanted to help improve conditions at Deen’s restaurants, The Lady & Sons and Uncle Bubba’s Seafood and Oyster House Inc.

Patillo said he heard complaints that front-end staff — waiters and waitresses — tended to be white, Latino or light-skinned blacks, while the back-end staff in the kitchen tended to be mostly black.

He heard complaints from one black employee who had worked there for 20 years and never been promoted, while a white employee may be promoted shortly after starting.

He also heard complaints of a white employee using disparaging remarks against a black co-worker and only being penalized a half-day for it.

A preliminary report that was distributed Saturday found more than half of the employees surveyed reported a “good, great or exceptional” experience with Deen, including a family environment, high pay, staff continuity and career advancement.

But, the report said, “several employees expressed a negative experience working for Deen.”

Those included low pay which made housing unaffordable and a white employee using the “N” word toward at least one employee.

“There is limited evidence of direct racism or racial discrimination on the part of Mrs. Paula Deen,” the report said.

“However, it does appear that Mrs. Deen has failed to fully and adequately address the issue of endemic and systematic racial disparity and discrimination within her company.”

http://savannahnow.com/news/2013-06-29/rainbowpush-coaltion-deen-will-improve#.Uc-X2SrD8lY


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 09:08 pm
@firefly,
Ms Deen would do well for herself and her employees by making sure there is no future incidents of discrimination, racial slurs, and sexual harassment in her restaurants. That would be best for everyone concerned.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 09:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think she'll improve things at the restaurants now, with the help of PUSH/Rainbow. She really has to.

Then Jesse Jackson can publicly praise her for addressing the situation.

So, some good may come out of this, in terms of correcting discrimination, and other issues, at the restaurants.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 09:51 pm
@firefly,
The other good thing, if we can call it that, is that others in the same situation might make improvements by "learning" from PD's experience.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 10:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The other good thing, if we can call it that, is that others in the same situation might make improvements by "learning" from PD's experience.


"mind your relationships and seek good advise" is the take-away here, which most successful business people do
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 10:30 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
southern chefs tend to think that her cooking is a caricature of southern cooking, which is one of the many reasons that she does not have more public support from the industry. others are that we dont want to talk about how rough restaurant culture still is, and because PD is an idiot(she was dumb enough to get caught operating a non PC joint)...which is inexcusable. she is a bitch too, but bitches and assholes make up a large segment of restaurateurs so that does not matter to us.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 07:10 am
@hawkeye10,
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mind your relationships and seek good advise" is the take-away here, which most successful business people do


Hell the most important thing that cost her millions is when ask the question did you ever call someone the n word do not say well thirty years ago right after having a gun at my head I did used the n word toward the gunman you instead say I do not remember ever using such an evil word.

She would then still have her show and her book deals and Core or whoever would not be trying to get a black employee any black employee of hers to claim she was a racist and mistreat her black workers.

Poor woman thinking this was a sane society where no one would hold it against you that thirty years ago and after looking death in the face you refer to a gunman with the n word.

How very very wrong she was concerning this being a sane society.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jun, 2013 09:28 am
@BillRM,
You'll never "GET IT." It's about how she treated her employees in the HERE AND NOW! THIS YEAR, not 30 years ago. You have a thick skull that's on empty.
 

 
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