Paula Dean Fired By Food Network Over Racial Slur

@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
but whites are always assumed to be privileged

you don't think it's still better to be white than anything else in America?

cuz it is

no, I think whites do better than blacks because whites more often have intact families and have not self identified as victims, the society does not hold blacks back they hold themselves back. I think asians have it the best now, as they tend to have good upbringing and can take advantage of the anti white bias. that being said my boys best friend is black, the last of three kids, dad retired miltary mom runs a community college....his two older sisters are super successful and when this boy got into an elite east coast school I said " your parents must be proud if you". His response was " not really, this is what is expected from me".

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@hawkeye10,

It's true that Asians have done very well in the US. I believe we are the most integrated with all cultures and ethnicities, have done well in school, and have gained financially/economically.

I have personally seen and experienced much progress for Asians in America, but I'm not sure how the US will end up politically and economically.

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@cicerone imposter,

C.I., Asians weren't brought to this country in chains, kept in bondage, bought and sold as livestock, not regarded as full equal citizens, then relegated to totally segregated facilities in housing, education, etc in the South, as well as de facto segregation in the North. This country, and it's black population, still bears the scars and legacy of slavery and racism. We've made strides in the past 50 years, since Martin Luther King Jr's "I have a dream" speech, but 50 years isn't really that long a time, and the effects of history aren't erased that quickly.

Blacks who have come to this country freely, as true immigrants, and who continue to migrate here, generally manage to do very well, and they are more equivalent to other immigrant groups. But they also have the financial resources, and supports, that allow them to be able to come here in the first place.

The black young man, his son's friend, that Hawkeye referred to, might still be subjected to police stop and frisk tactics, suspicious looks, and even racial profiling by types like George Zimmerman, no matter what his accomplishments are.

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@firefly,

You need to study up on the history of Asians in America.

You are lacking scholarship in this area.

When I was a child growing up in California, many whites told me to "go back to your own country." I'm third generation American. Where did they expect me to go?

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@cicerone imposter,

Hey ci, I always meant to ask you about your handle on A2K. Are you a beer-o-phile?

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@cicerone imposter,

I am reasonably familiar with the history of Asian-Americans in the U.S., C.I., and I am well aware of the intense hostility and discrimination they went through at times, as did other immigrant groups. And I am not detracting from the substantial accomplishments of Asian-Americans, or the many hurdles and disadvantages they had to overcome.

But the fact remains they were not brought here in chains and then bought and sold like livestock--the Asians migrated here, they came voluntarily.

The historical legacy for blacks in this country is different than it is for immigrant groups, including the more recent black immigrants, because these were not immigrants--they were slaves, and considered property rather than human beings, and that gave rise to a whole set of problems and attitudes that immigrant groups did not have to contend with. And some of that is still ongoing.

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@firefly,

During the first major Asian immigration, several groups were actually indentured as laborers. Then in 1882, these populations were made INELIGIBLE for citizenship and thought to be unassimilatable. we created a class of folks with NO country. There really is no degree of "my hardship was worse than yours" . As a nation, we were no different than the other primarily European influenced countries where natives were dealt harshly as were refugees from Asia or slaves from Africa (via the Caribbean)

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@farmerman,

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There really is no degree of "my hardship was worse than yours"

People who really understand how all immigrants were treated, even from the same country of origin, can appreciate your statement.

It's always a matter of degree and who's writing the history.

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@farmerman,

But we managed to inflict more devastating, and lasting damage, on both the Native American population, and the slave groups we forcibly brought here, than we have on any of the immigrant groups who came here voluntarily.

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@firefly,

I can see that This is going to turn into one of those BillRM/Hawkeye/Firefly assertofests ..Ill pass thank you.

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@farmerman,

Me too!

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@farmerman,

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I can see that This is going to turn into one of those BillRM/Hawkeye/Firefly assertofests ..Ill pass thank you.

Personally, I have no desire to get into that sort of thing. I'm responding to you and C.I., and not to Hawkeye, because you two are capable of discussing the issue in a reasonable manner.

I'd also rather get back to the topic of this thread. And the issue of slavery is germane to the topic of this thread.

Part of what got Deen in hot water was her voicing romantic nostalgia for the good old plantation days--as she revealed in the sort of plantation-style wedding she wished she could plan for her brother. In her wanting to revive the alleged "charm" and "graciousness" of that period of history, Deen revealed her complete insensitivity to what life was like for the black folks who were kept on those plantations, and how offensive it is to now hear someone, a white person, longing to recreate any of it, particularly for the frivolity of a wedding theme to celebrate the marriage of two white people.

That people like Deen still think like that, means none of this is that far behind us. And Deen indicated she really wouldn't go through with such wedding plans, not because they'd be tasteless or offensive, but rather because "the media would misinterpret it." On the contrary, I think the media would have interpreted it correctly, and very revealing of Deen's state of mind.

At the very least, Paula Deen is racially insensitive. The woman genuinely saw nothing wrong or offensive in the way she was thinking, the imagery she was generating, or the way she chose to describe what she was talking about. That's why she was blind-sighted by the public reaction she got, and why she couldn't appropriately handle or defuse the situation. She really didn't get it.

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@firefly,

all them words you spew but come up with even one black person who says that Dean ever treated them badly due to the color of their skin. you dont gave the right to police peoples minds, only their actions, so I dare you to come up with any justification to hang Paula Dean.

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@hawkeye10,

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all them words you spew but come up with even one black person who says that Dean ever treated them badly due to the color of their skin. you dont gave the right to police peoples minds, only their actions, so I dare you to come up with any justification to hang Paula Dean.

This isn't about policing people's minds, it is about actions, verbal statements, that Paula Deen made--in her restaurant workplace. People are entitled to react to such statements, and to judge her, in any way they wish.

You have a poor memory for issues that have already been discussed in this thread. Why don't you try bringing yourself up to speed, or keep better track of the discussion so you know what you are talking about.

rainbow/PUSH did look into complaints about her restaurants, and they did find evidence of systemic inequity and racial discrimination going on there. So black employees were not being treated entirely fairly in Deen-owned establishments. Similar to the sexual harassment conditions, Deen might not have been directly involved in doing these things, but she was allowing them to go on in businesses she owned. And Deen has said she would work with them to try to correct such problems.

And, after settling this lawsuit, she said she will review the practices in her restaurants.

I didn't hang Paula Deen. I never supported Paula Deen--never watched her Food Network show, bought her cookbooks or any of the products she endorsed, and never went on her cruises. I had no support to withdraw from her.

And her business associates and contractors were free to do whatever they felt was in their own best interests. They need no justification beyond that. If they felt they were better off without her, that was their decision to make.

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@hawkeye10,

I would like to see the Firefly's of this world spending their time trying to sell their ideas rather than what they so often do which is running around claiming that everyone who does not agree with them are sub humans who must be silienced. We used to be better than this.

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@firefly,

rainbow/push is a politcal pressure group, you know that right? taking their word on Dean restaurant operation practices is like taking PETA pronouncements on dairy farming as gospel. Just how dumb do you think A2K is anyways?

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@hawkeye10,

I'm hardly trying to silence you, I just responded to your post.

Perhaps if you focused on the topic, you'd better remember what has already been discussed, and you'd be factually wrong less often.

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@hawkeye10,

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rainbow/push is a politcal pressure group, you know that right? taking their word on Dean restaurant operation practices is like taking PETA pronouncements on dairy farming as gospel. Just how dumb do you think A2K is anyways?

rainbow/PUSH is a civil rights organization.

And Paula Deen called Jesse Jackson and asked him for his help--so she must value his opinions and assistance more than you do.

You made an unjustified assumption, that no black person has ever complained of being treated badly by Deen, and when you are shown to be wrong, you try grasping at straws, or attacking me, to bail yourself out. rainbow/PUSH did find evidence of systemic inequity and racial discrimination in her restaurants--based on employee complaints--that's black people being treated badly in a Deen-owned business.

Deen was letting things go on in her restaurants that shouldn't have been going on, and now she has said she will improve conditions. Hopefully, she's already done that.

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@firefly,

Now that Paula has lost weight, she's looking might fine.

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Uncle Bubba's Seafood & Oyster House -- the place where Paula Deen's empire crumbled -- just closed for good, and the way employees found out is just shocking.

The company did NOT tell its employees in an open meeting or face-to-face. The workers showed up this morning only to find the sign down and appliances being removed from the joint.

The only explanation was posted on the restaurant's Facebook page this morning -- "Thank you for 10 great years. Uncle Bubba's is now closed."

People were pissed off, including one woman who says, "My mother worked there for over 8 years and no one called her!!! My fiance also worked there no one called him, in fact a UB manager called him LAST NIGHT to get his availability for next week!"

Another wrote, "My mother put in some hard work for years with you & she finds out when she shows up for work this morning to be escorted by a police officer to get her belongings."

You may recall ... the GM of Bubba's sued Paula ... and during her depo Paula recounted the story where she once used the N word to describe an African American man who held her up.

We reached out to Deen's rep ... so far, no word back.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/03/paula-deen-brother-restaurant-closed/#ixzz2xsGy54O2

The chances of her rebuilding her empire just went down to approximately zero. Her thoughts on blacks are nothing outrageous, in fact her ideas or beliefs do not matter at all to me or to many if not most, but how one treats people matters a ton.

YOU DONT DO THIS. EVER!

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