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Paula Dean Fired By Food Network Over Racial Slur

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
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is there any evidence that any blacks felt demeaned due to their blackness while employeed at a PD restaurant? it seems that a lot of assuming, and thinking and feeling for other people instead of letting them think and feel for themselves, is being done.


You're not following this thread.

At least one black employee recently told an investigator from PUSH/Rainbow that, when he threatened to lodge a discrimination complaint, Bubba Heirs told him, "You have no civil rights in here." How do you think that man felt? He was complaining abut being racially demeaned--and he voiced those complaints directly to his employer, Deen's brother.

The female who brought the current lawsuit definitely felt demeaned by the sexist slurs, and derogatory jokes about women, and the fact that pornography was viewed in the workplace, and the fact her employer kept insisting she watch it with him, and all the other sexual harassment she was subjected to.

Why would you assume that black employees wouldn't feel similarly demeaned by racial slurs and racially derogatory jokes? Because they're so accustomed to them? Rolling Eyes

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

And so are you - by not really knowing. We stand on the side of common sense and logic. You are on the side of bigotry and ignorance.

score is kept by dollars in capitalism, not in fulfilling fantasy and unproven theorys. if you dont like what you believe PD thinks then dont work for her and dont support one of her business with your money. why do you liberals always want to destroy markets because other people dont choose to do what you want them to do? when did becoming such an overbearing bully get to be OK?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:38 pm
@firefly,
what I was reading is that when rainbow/push went around trying find evidence they could hardly find any current or former employees who would say anything negative about the Deans...which of course they decided means that all of these people are victims and the Deans are abusers because they are prejudiced and biased like that.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
You suffer from myopia of the brain; how one earns their living is more important than the accumulation of money. Earning money on the backs of others while treating them badly is morally wrong; something you'll never understand.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You suffer from myopia of the brain; how one earns their living is more important than the accumulation of money. Earning money on the backs of others while treating them badly is morally wrong; something you'll never understand.

what I have read is that PD gives people the opportunity for employment at above average pay, which is the opposite of exploitation. as for the alleged poor working conditions you already know that I think they sound pretty average for the industry.

I dont need any morality police to run my life for me TYVM, I can run my own life just fine.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
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if you dont like what you believe PD thinks then dont work for her and dont support one of her business with your money. why do you liberals always want to destroy markets because other people dont choose to do what you want them to do?

It's Paula's business and corporate associates who moved to destroy her markets--by removing those marketing platforms from her--because they didn't like the way she thinks, or runs her restaurants, and they didn't want to be associated with her.

What have "liberals" got to do with it?

I never supported any of her products, but neither did BillRM. And I have no particular desire now to either support or destroy her markets for products I have no interest in, and was never interested in.

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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
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what I was reading is that when rainbow/push went around trying find evidence they could hardly find any current or former employees who would say anything negative about the Deans...

Do more reading. That was not the case. They found people who were afraid to complain because they feared Deen's clout in that geographical area would prevent them from getting subsequent employment anywhere else--they are about to open a Paula Deen Museum in that area, for Pete's sake. Rolling Eyes Also Deen paid a little better than other employers, so that helped to buy silence while putting up with racial crap. That doesn't mean people liked the racial crap, or should have been subjected to it in order to earn a paycheck.

PUSH/rainbow is continuing to investigate. They've just started.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 12:59 pm
@firefly,
like I said, they assume a victim/abuser relationship, which is what they were trying to prove but could find no evidence for. I am holding out for something more solid.

you tell the good pay was to buy silence, where is your evidence that this is the motivation? why shouldn't I rather assume that the extra pay was motivated by a desire to take care of her people?
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
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like I said, they assume a victim/abuser relationship, which is what they were trying to prove but could find no evidence for.

And, like I said, PUSH/Rainbow found evidence of racial discrimination, and employees who were upset by it, and complaining about it, but who were afraid to previously complain about it because they needed their jobs. And they are continuing to investigate, since they just started.

Meaning you are wrong...
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you tell the good pay was to buy silence, where is your evidence that this is the motivation?

I didn't say that was the motivation. I said that paying well helps to buy silence--it's an incentive for the employee to put up with racial crap.
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why shouldn't I rather assume that the extra pay was motivated by a desire to take care of her people?

Probably because of the racial slurs and derogatory jokes that were enjoyed at the expense of these same people--it's hard to say you're "taking care" of your people while also subjecting them to insult, offense, ridicule, etc. I'm sure Paula's great-granddaddy thought he took "good care" of his 30 slaves.

You want to believe she was "taking care of her people", go right ahead.

Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Well put;
"much evil that still exist in the south's racial DNA."


Indeed, CI, racism is part-and-parcel of the American culture; it's more pronounced in the south; however, be that as it may, sectarianism is an intrinsic component of the human psyche.....we instinctively tend toward skepticism regarding those who're different from us. Even after getting to know the "other", we don't completely let our guard down and there is always lurking just beneath the surface the one from a different ethnicity. By interacting in the corporate world, living in the same neighborhood, the average workplace, school, University, socializing at various group events we get to know the "other."

Special mention should be made regarding racism and African Americans who are visible by their darker color from all the rest. Once slaves in America, they have to work especially hard to distinguish themselves, more so than other ethnic groups because within the American culture blacks will always be thought of as second class citizens even when (in some cases) they are richer and more educated.

The average African American carries the European gene after so many centuries of miscegnation, we have a definite cross breed called Mulattoes. Some blacks were so white that they passed for Caucasian, marrying into the white ethnicity group, carrying the black gene with them. Southern Whites, at least some of them, carries the black DNA. It is almost impossible for two dominant ethnic groups to live in the same country without intermingling on some level.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:15 pm
@firefly,
I read the news accounts, considering that there are probably hundreds of former and current employees they came up with almost nothing even though they had no intention of getting a fair and balanced reading of the situation. it reads like the Freeh report on Penn ST, high on the assumptions and moralizing, low on the facts proven by evidence.

I dont lot of difference between these "investigations" and what the church used to do to people, which we now condemn.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
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s there any evidence that any blacks felt demeaned due to their blackness while employeed at a PD restaurant? it seems that a lot of assuming, and thinking and feeling for other people instead of letting them think and feel for themselves, is being done.


That is my feelings also and over the thirty three years I did worked for my firm I would hate to have someone take out of content words I might had used along without the content of the relationships I was lucky to have enjoyed with my co-workers.

My best man at my wedding were a co-worker who is still like a brother to me that happen to be Cuban American but I would bet that by taking comments out of content of the teasing relationships existing between the Latin workforce and the non-Latin workforce you could come up with claims that the two groups hated each other.

Very non-PC comments from both sides but it was a wonderful work place where we all view ourselves more as family then just co-workers.

Not a week go by where I will not talk to a former co-worker and my last day of employment was in 2008.

In any case I am very happy none of us have to worry about the PC police limiting and monitoring the work place interactions.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:31 pm
@firefly,
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At least one black employee recently told an investigator from PUSH/Rainbow that, when he threatened to lodge a discrimination complaint, Bubba Heirs told him, "You have no civil rights in here." How do you think that man felt? He was complaining abut being racially demeaned--and he voiced those complaints directly to his employer, Deen's brother.


An un-name claim coming not even from an employee talking to a reports but by the reporter reporting what a third party is claiming an employee stated!!!!!!!!

Yes sir we should take that at face value!!!!!!!!!!
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I read the news accounts, considering that there are probably hundreds of former and current employees they came up wuth almost nothing even though they had no intention of getting a fair and balanced reading if the situation.

PUSH/Rainbow was only there for a day or two, and that was very recently, but what they already heard, from the people they spoke to, was enough to convince them a fuller investigation was needed--and they are going back there.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:38 pm
@firefly,
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o more reading. That was not the case. They found people who were afraid to complain because they feared Deen's clout


A claims with zero backing should be taken at face value if it would placed Deen in a bad light.

Everyone is too fearful to complain you just need to take our word for this massive fear level that is keeping them silent,
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:38 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
There are still incidences of blacks who drive luxury cars of being stopped by the police. Racial profiling has been on-going for so long, it's also in their DNA.

Remember when an Indian man got killed in Arizona right after 9/11, because some nut believed he was a Muslim?

That kind of stuff never disappears.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:40 pm
@BillRM,
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it was a wonderful work place where we all view ourselves more as family

That's exactly what Paula Deen said about the black slaves her family owned, and the black servants her family then employed--"we were like family."

Ever see the movie, "The Help," BillRM?
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:43 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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The average African American carries the European gene after so many centuries of miscegnation, we have a definite cross breed called Mulattoes. Some blacks were so white that they passed for Caucasian, marrying into the white ethnicity group, carrying the black gene with them. Southern Whites, at least some of them, carries the black DNA. It is almost impossible for two dominant ethnic groups to live in the same country without intermingling on some level.


Let see my step daughters are 50/50 and my step grandkids are 75/25 not bad for a racist to have in his family now is it not and not even a southern racist.......
Rolling Eyes

One wonder what the Fireflies of the world are going to do in a few generations when it is no longer possible to ID anyone in the nation as either black or white.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 01:48 pm
@firefly,
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but what they already heard, from the people they spoke to, was enough to convince them a fuller investigation was needed--and they are going back there.


Good luck with them overcoming the great fear of the workers so some will go on the record and we do not need to take the claims by way of so call investigators who outfit that have a dog in the race.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 02:02 pm
@firefly,
Well in my case the biggest part of the local work with the most members in the highest positions happen to had been Cuban Americans so by your thinking I was in the position of the Dean black employees.

Hell my best man where my direct boss for a number of years.

O f course I was brain wash in being happy in such a situation just like Deen black employees.

Oh beside my best man being Cuban American and a former supervisor one of my other wedding guests that was nice enough to travel all the way to Las Vegas happen to be a Haiti gentleman that at one point was also my supervisor.

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