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Paula Dean Fired By Food Network Over Racial Slur

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 02:09 pm
@BillRM,
No, wrong again! It's about an individual who holds any racial group with disrespect and contempt. It's not only about "opinion" which can be bigoted or not.

Your words deceives your own claims.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 02:10 pm
@firefly,
You do get off in the poor lady problems do you not Firefly?

Sadly those problems are more of a sign that we have grant far more power to the smug self righteous self appointed PC police that is in any manner sane.

Every indication to date had shown that the public both black and white are far more understanding and forgiving then the self appointed PC police happen to be.

Hopefully in the end businesses will listen to their customers and the public as a whole and not to the pc policy even if that mean you get off less often Firefly.

Hawkeye might be into S&M sexual games but you seems to be the real thing at least when it come to the pain of others.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 02:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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No, wrong again! It's about an individual who holds any racial group with disrespect and contempt. It's not only about "opinion" which can be bigoted or not.


So a slur decades ago in the past spoken under strong emotional pressure that the lady had apologized for mean that the lady hold a whole racist group in contempt to this day?

No facts such as her strongly supporting the election of our first black President long before this slur issue had come to light should be allowed to interfere with this simple minded opinion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 02:37 pm
@BillRM,
As the saying goes, ignorance in this day and age is no excuse. Where has she lived the past 40 years? On Mars? LOL

Here's a first hand report on "that generation." Read it; you might learn something.

http://onlineathens.com/opinion/2013-06-26/tate-excuses-paula-deen-dont-cut-mustard
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Amazing thinking holding something like that against someone for decades even after asking for forgiven.

Such unforgiving attitude to me is not sane in any way or any manner and more of a indication of something seriously wrong with the persons withholding forgiven then the person asking for that forgiveness for an act long long in the past

We all would be living in a ugly and disagreeable world if there was no forgiveness for our far past sins/misdeeds!!!!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 03:20 pm
@BillRM,
I'm not the one who has to forgive Deen. It's those she insulted with her racial bigotry.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 03:28 pm
@firefly,
Seem that the American people are not at all happy about this unforgiving stand some on this thread are supporting and the Food Network is paying a price as a result.



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/food-network-reputation_n_3498187.html

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Food Network Reputation: YouGov Polling Data Finds Consumer Perception Backlash
Posted: 06/25/2013 4:12 pm EDT


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YouGov BrandIndex has just released data about the consumer perception of the Food Network, taking into account dates from the pre- and post-firing of Paula Deen. The polling company asked about 800 adults -- 200 per U.S. region -- the following question:

"If you've heard anything about the brand in the last two weeks, through advertising, news or word of mouth, was it positive or negative?"
The resulting Buzz Score was determined by subtracting negative feedback from positive feedback. YouGov broke down the results by region. Here are the findings:

Source: YouGov

Food Network dropped Deen on June 21, which explains some of the graph's changes at around that time. However, specifics of what exactly participants had heard about are not included in the results. In other words, it's possible that they heard negative things about Paula Deen, so they associated that with the Food Network brand. Or perhaps they heard that Food Network let Paula go, and reacted negatively.

In the West, Food Network's Buzz Score fell 20 points, from a score of 21 to one. The South, which has the lowest score out of all four regions, had its Buzz Score fall from 13 to -3. The Midwest's Buzz Score actually improved four points after Deen was let go, from nine to 13.

Will the Food Network recover from the loss of one of its biggest star? Maybe her firing was semi-inevitable, anyway: The Los Angeles Times reports that ratings of Paula Deen's shows were down.

It's too early to tell how much recent Paula Deen events will affect Food Network's bottom line, but if we were Food Network, we'd be on a hunt for the next big food personality. It's sure to be difficult, since few food television stars have the rabid fan base she does.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 03:36 pm
@BillRM,
That's their business decision which many agree with. Discrimination should not be tolerated. The people in the south just don't understand bigotry and discrimination, and that's the reason for the drop in support for Food Network. Who really gives a ****?

Let's see what really happens in the long run; that's more important than one poll.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 03:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One more thing; it's silly to be asking racial bigots what they think about another racial bigot. Do you understand anything about conflict of interest?

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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 05:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The people in the south just don't understand bigotry and discrimination

Did you really just write that?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 05:44 pm
@engineer,
He doesn't mean every single person from there.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 05:54 pm
@edgarblythe,
You can be a bigot safety when it come to an entire area and all the people in it if it involved the south at least.

What is PC and what is not PC can be complex indeed but do not get it wrong as if you said anything that someone can label being a bigot you can paid a price thirty years into the future or more.

There is no statute of limitations when it come to PC crimes and the constitution may ban Retroactive laws but there is no such ban when it come to PC "laws".
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 05:56 pm
@edgarblythe,
I sure hope not.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 06:03 pm
He means that southern culture that fondly looks back on Jim Crow and that sort of thing.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 06:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
Thanks, edgar, it's good to know some people understand me.

I would have thought by now that most people know where I stand on equality.

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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 07:04 pm
@BillRM,
Because you are either too obtuse to see that the entire incidents are not "PC" issues at all but are border line civil rights violations, or you are just being an annoying person who cant learn from defeats in a debate. You should back down and consider that all the stuff you've endured via "Evidence and fact" is not at all "PC", and these were all teaching moments in which the real Paula Deen has been disclosed to us all.
Using such a term("PC") that materially attempts to minimize her actions and those of her brother makes you a bit of an accomplice after the fact.
Ive never witnessed such a stubborn yet clueless series of arguments cobbled together
since Roger convinced me to buy mesquite futures , after which I tried to borrow money from my bank to corner the mesquite market.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 07:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
BillRM doesn't understand that racial/ethnic/gender/sexual orientation slurs, and derogatory and demeaning jokes that target groups in a similar way, are expressions of bigotry and prejudice. Paula Deen doesn't understand that either--in her deposition she said "all jokes" are like that, and that's the "humor" her husband shares with her, and her brother engages in at their restaurant.

So, BillRM is one bigot defending another. These things aren't expressions of bigotry and prejudice, which are harmful and hurtful to their targets, in his view, they're just innocuous things that "aren't PC". In BillRM's mind, not being "PC" is sort of like wearing a sportshirt to a place that requires a shirt and tie--a minor social gaff, but no big deal. And he's placing the use of racial/ethnic/gender/sexual orientation slurs and epithets, and similarly derogatory and demeaning jokes in that same category--they're a minor social gaff, but no big deal.

Racial/ethnic/gender/sexual orientation slurs, epithets, and jokes are so common, and acceptable in BillRM's mind, he thinks it requires a "god-like perfection" not to engage in such behavior, or not to accept it. So, he's really saying, the "PC police" should just shut up and let prejudice and bigotry and bias flourish while people enjoy expressing themselves and telling jokes of that sort.

So, in defense of his fellow bigot, Paula Deen, he has set up two strawman arguments--mainly because his main premises are so indefensible he has to use strawmen.

The first strawman is that poor Paula is being cruelly pummeled for one use of the "N-word" over 30 years ago, and even that was done under extraordinary circumstances. The problem is, that isn't the reason that Deen has watched her empire crumble beneath her, as business associates have fled from her suddenly toxic brand--that's the BillRM version of events.

There is considerably more in the recently released deposition, of the sworn testimony that Deen gave as a defendant in a racial discrimination/sexual harassment lawsuit lodged against restaurants owned by Deen and her brother. Deen revealed considerably more in her deposition than just a single use of the "N-word" decades ago--she also revealed she knew about the racially and sexually inappropriate behavior her brother engaged in, and subjected employees to, at their workplace, and she did nothing about it. She also has a fondness for "plantation-style" weddings.

Given the fact it's been pointed out to BillRM, numerous times, that Deen's problems are not due to a single use of the "N-Word" 30 years ago, and that she's admitted to fostering a workplace in which racially and sexually inappropriate behavior flourished, in her own sworn deposition, why does he continue to just repeat his strawman argument? Is he that out to lunch that he thinks others posting here will believe this nonsense if he just keeps repeating it? Is he that clueless? That dumb?

BillRM's second strawman is to try to compare the type of bigotry and prejudice, and offensiveness, which is reflected in slurs and derogatory jokes, verbal behaviors, with the type of flaming racism and outright hostile overt behavior which is directly expressed toward target groups by folks like the KKK.

That's another of BillRM's lame attempts to convince us that verbal expressions are harmless, merely "non PC", and that it's crazy to consider people, like Deen, "racist"--"racists" are those folks in the hooded sheets. Except no one in this thread is really insisting Deen is a "racist", although racists would likely support her, but her choice of verbal expressions, and humor, and wedding-themes, does reveal bigotry, bias, and prejudice on her part that she fails to recognize--and that BillRM can't recognize that either. If Paula isn't wearing a hooded sheet, BillRM won't consider her bigoted or prejudiced, because she doesn't fit his strawman definition of "a racist".

Why BillRM is so upset about the Food Network's financial outlook, sans Deen, is anyone guess. If Deen's was the only program people had tuned in to watch, that network would have gone bust a long time ago. And her shows had falling ratings before this scandal erupted. If devoted Deen fans will now boycott the Food Network, and not watch any other programs they previously enjoyed, that will be their loss, and it won't bring Paula back. Business is business, and Paula Deen needed the Food Network more than they needed her.

So, the alleged financial mistakes that corporations have made in severing ties with Deen, seems to be yet another strawman argument from BillRM. He thinks these corporation bailouts were wrong, mainly based on his #1 and #2 strawman arguments, and he predicts they will all suffer the wraith of Paula's loyal brigade. Other than their shareholders, and BillRM, who cares?

Life will go on, without Paula's cookware on Walmart's shelves, or her twice a week program on the Food Network, or her face on a Smithfield ham-- civilization will continue to survive.

And bigots like BillRM will go on defending bigots like Paula Deen and her brother Bubba...and they'll all remain clueless about how they offend, and hurt, and harm.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 07:53 pm
Bill has his own idiot bigotry going on. He asserts that all people in the South are bigots--which is, of course, horseshit. He not only doesn't know a goddamned thing, he's so clueless he doesn't realize that his ignorance and his own bigotry go hand in hand.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 08:54 pm
@Setanta,
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Bill has his own idiot bigotry going on. He asserts that all people in the South are bigots-


What kind of drugs are you using and will you share them with me as anything that can distorted reality to that degree must give one hell of a trip far better even then LSD.

footnote so far I been accused of being all of the following on this website and all by the same people pedophile, drunk, rapist and racist so we might as well add drug user to the list.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jun, 2013 09:03 pm
@farmerman,
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Because you are either too obtuse to see that the entire incidents are not "PC" issues at all but are border line civil rights violations,


You did take note that the drive for the millions of dollars is a law suit aim at her brother not at her and the excuse being used to try to destroy her is that after having a gun pointed at her head thirty years or so ago she admitted to using a racial slur directed at the gunman?

No court had yet found that her brother less alone her had violated anyone civil rights.

I guess first we hang a person and for good measure his sister, then we have a trial after the hangings.
 

 
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