Did Jesus Actually Exist?

Which is a "miracle" of the Middle-Ages...

There are quite a few who believe the Shroud is real, hence the joking statement.

Yep..

Aw, c'mon. Next you'll be telling me that that splinter of wood I bought for big bucks in that second-hand store on the Street Called Straight in Damascus back in 1986 is not a piece from the True Cross.

Nice post, O5. One of the reasons I remain so convinced Jesus did exist is because of the enduring hatred Jews have had to weather for centuries simply because of this individual.

Also, since the world had very few people it's not likely Jesus' impact would have been outside his main area. Jesus' ideology, however, did live on even though for a while Christianity almost died out and Jesus himself almost forgotten.

"Jesus doctrine created the first Christians, as described in the first chapters of the Acts of the Apostles; they were all Jewish, either by birth, or conversion for which the biblical term proselyte is used,[1] and referred to by historians as the Jewish Christians. The early Gospel message was spread orally; probably in Aramaic (the language of Jesus).[2] The New Testament's Book of Acts and Epistle to the Galatians record that the first Christian community was centered in Jerusalem and its leaders included Peter, James, and John.[3] Paul of Tarsus, after his conversion to Christianity, claimed the title of "Apostle to the Gentiles". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christianity

Yeah, sorry to disappoint you..

At the same store, they also had some Kryptonite..

It helps to go heaven..

Awww...good. I wanted to be getting better (non-genital, of course).

You THINK we know that. But you've made mistakes before, right?

I proved that you lied, Timur. You're just barking now, unable to list any scholar, unable to provide any evidence for the filth you're spewing... Get lost.

Frankly, I agree with the strong atheist who find the determination of theists to act as though a GOD were something necessary to existence (and very obviously something that exists) to be ludicrous.

No less ludicrous, in my opinion, is the determination of strong atheists to act as though the existence of gods is impossible...and obviously something that IS NOT.

You proved nothing at all, you are making ****.

Have you proved that Jesus existed?

Tell again..

You've made your adherence to Scientology quite clear on many occasions Frank.

Hatred of Jews over Jesus is no proof of anything at all, because there is no evidence the Jews had a hand in killing such a man.

That's old news. The Gospel of Barnabas is a well known late apocrypha arguing for the same thesis that the Quran: Jesus was never on that cross.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

That is interesting...because I am not, nor ever have been, a Scientologist.

If you find something erroneous in what I said...tell me what it is and why you disagree.

Timur, what this thread is about is the scientific consensus around the historicity of Jesus. That there is currently such a consensus has been established beyond reasonable doubt, in no small part by your failure to identify one living qualified historian who doubts a historical Jesus. Not for lack of trying. But each time you tried, you failed to check your information. I did check your info and debunked it systematically. Either your scholars were long dead, or they believed in a historical Jesus, or they were not scholars but journalists or German teachers...

Since then you've been sulking.

Are you sure?

You did no such thing, you just dismissed my sources.

You have since making **** pretending you won an argument.

Unlike you, I don't need to win any argument but my sources are as reliable and respectable as yours.

Scientifically and with method, you proved nothing..

I'm very sure!

Well that's a relief, do you just like dressing up as Tom Cruise then?