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Did Jesus Actually Exist?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 11:48 am
@Olivier5,
Don't waste your time with that kind of hypocrisy. All you are to me is a set of dancing electrons, and a not particularly interesting set, either. If you actually produce something interesting, i might respond. For the nonce, however, i don't see any use in attempting to converse with you.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 11:49 am
@neologist,
Honnestly, Set could use a bit of positive thinking... Why don't we all tell him we love him?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 11:49 am
@reasoning logic,
Do you disagree that Creationism = subjectivity = objectivity?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 11:53 am
@Setanta,
I'm not wasting my time, just trying to cheer you up. But by all means, ignore me if that's a problem for you.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 11:57 am
@Thomas,
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Like what? I'm not trying to argue with you


Muhammad was a large and important figure in his area during his own lifetime and he and his followers got involved with warfare/conflicts with a numbers of other groups who wrote second party accounts of the events. Hell he ended up as the ruler of a fairly large area that also contains many other peoples who let records of him.

With Jesus you got no records of him from second parties such as the Romans during the time period he was suppose to had been walking the earth and most of the writing that does exist come a few hundreds years later.

In any case, see any good history book on Muhammad and you will find no question he was a real living person any more then Caesar happen to had been.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad


reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 11:58 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Quote:
Do you disagree that Creationism = objectivity?


Yes I disagree that Creationism = objectivity until you can prove it otherwise. It is your subjective understanding that you have no evidence for.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:00 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Honnestly, Set could use a bit of positive thinking... Why don't we all tell him we love him?
I have no problem with Set's occasional digressions into creative language. When he gets on topic, his observations are specific and coherent. I don't have to debate with him over some esoteric mystery. When he's right, he's damned right. And when he disagrees with me, he's damned wrong. Mr. Green
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:03 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Muhammad was a large and important figure in his area during his own lifetime and he and his followers got involved with warfare/conflicts with a numbers of other groups who wrote second party accounts of the events. Hell he ended up as the ruler of a fairly large area that also contains many other peoples who let records of him.


I think he was several people... ;-)
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:03 pm
@reasoning logic,
Is it possible that everyone's views of God, and their purposes = one objective outcome? (Even if they don't believe, reject, are unsure, or are none of those...and claim to have no purpose...don't know etc...)

I am not going to prove it...since I ask you for no proof...sorry mate...wrong guy...

I am interested in what one thinks...not what one thinks they can think...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:10 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
I have no problem with Set's occasional digressions into creative language. When he gets on topic, his observations are specific and coherent.


I don't have any problem with his negativity per se but believe that this kind of emotional overdrive affects both his judgement and credibility. Basically, I feel sorry for him...
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:14 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Quote:
Is it possible that everyone's views of God, and their purposes = one objective outcome?


I would highly doubt it, I would think it is all subjective but could lead to many objective outcomes.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:19 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Do you disagree that Creationism = subjectivity = objectivity, or are you unsure?
I do not even understand the question.

IF ANYONE ELSE IS LISTENING IN: Please explain Spade's question to me.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I am not sure but he may be asking

Quote:
Do you disagree that Creationism = subjectivity or objectivity? or are you unsure?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:25 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I don't have any problem with his negativity per se but believe that this kind of emotional overdrive affects both his judgement and credibility. Basically, I feel sorry for him...
For a long time, I made my living hawking directly to the public in street corner and storefront sales. Or I'd stand outside the fair entrance and sell to the crowds waiting in line. It was fun and a lot more lucrative than one might imagine. Naturally, I would run across some extremely negative and rude responses; but I never let it affect me. You can't know what folks might have been going through on that day before they met you. Could be something as serious as losing a loved one or as temporary as heartburn. But you have to remember that it's not about YOU. I've been on this board a long time and have had many a contentious exchange with friends. Hopefully, they remain friends.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:29 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

I am not sure but he may be asking

Quote:
Do you disagree that Creationism = subjectivity or objectivity? or are you unsure?



Hell of a question! And what does it have to do with anything I've said.

Anyway: I am not unsure. A creationist is expressing a blind guess about REALITY. A "blind guess" is by its nature, subjective.

Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:29 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
For a long time, I made my living hawking directly to the public in street corner and storefront sales. Or I'd stand outside the fair entrance and sell to the crowds waiting in line. It was fun and a lot more lucrative than one might imagine.

interesting. May I ask what you were selling?

Quote:
Naturally, I would run across some extremely negative and rude responses; but I never let it affect me. You can't know what folks might have been going through on that day before they met you. Could be something as serious as losing a loved one or as temporary as heartburn. But you have to remember that it's not about YOU. I've been on this board a long time and have had many a contentious exchange with friends. Hopefully, they remain friends.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not in the least affected by Set's negativity. It's his loss, not mine.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:31 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
For a long time, I made my living hawking directly to the public in street corner and storefront sales. Or I'd stand outside the fair entrance and sell to the crowds waiting in line.


What were you peddling?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 12:51 pm
@reasoning logic,
I wrote:
For a long time, I made my living hawking directly to the public in street corner and storefront sales. Or I'd stand outside the fair entrance and sell to the crowds waiting in line. It was fun and a lot more lucrative than one might imagine.
Olivier5 wrote:
interesting. May I ask what you were selling?
reasoning logic wrote:
What were you peddling?
Prepaid funeral expenses . . .









NOT!






Newspaper subscriptions. Can you believe it? OK, here's a secret if you need a job and don't mind gabbing with folks. Every paper needs subscriptions to stay alive in this market, what with competition from every sort of electronic medium. And advertisers still pay top dollar for folks who can get hard copy into the hands of buyers. If you write the right kind of orders, the publisher will pay commissions equal to or in excess of the subscription cost. When I got good at it, I could make $100+ per hour. Gads, it was fun! I'd walk parade routes before the parade, and pitch folks in groups as they waited on the sidewalk. I had a few worn out one liners that I worked over and over.

Finally, my football knees took me out. I managed a small crew, but it was not as much fun so I retired about 6 years ago. I still get to hawk a few days a month at gun shows for memories' sake. But it's sit down stuff.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 01:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Creationism = subjectivity = objectivity not "or"

Creationism = subjective views on God, and our purposes = one ultimate objective way things are for everyone...(we have different afterlife experiences, but our ways of determining what our afterlife will be, is the same exact objective way)

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I am not unsure. A creationist is expressing a blind guess about REALITY. A "blind guess" is by its nature, subjective.

OK...got most of it down...Do you then think it could ever be considered objective Frank, in any way, Or are you unsure if it could?

Quote:
Hell of a question!

Thanks Frank...I do put a lot of thought into my questions...
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 01:02 pm
@neologist,
Quote:

Newspaper subscriptions. Can you believe it?



That was my first job as a kid, I went door to door but was not as successful as you were. Smile
 

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