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Did Jesus Actually Exist?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:29 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I believe he is the one who made it possible for us to eventually be in eternal peace...


Hmmm... So what did he save you from? Be specific.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:31 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
It is 24 Saints chosen to watch each one of the 24 time zones on Earth...

The white robes mean Christ-like...

The crown means worthy of eternal life...

The Lambs blood means they have died for their sins...and have suffered for others transgressions...
Really?!
I thought they were " . . . the blameless are the ones that will be left over in [the earth]". (proverbs 2:21) You might consider reading verse 22 and see how it compares with the rapture teaching.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:33 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Ok so he saved you from slavery to sin and evilness. You see, it wasn't that painful... Smile
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:38 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I believe he has risen from the dead...and destroyed death...


Why do you fear death to the point you are willing to shut down the logical thinking of your own mind?

Non existence after life is no difference then the non existence we all have before our conceptions and seems off hand to be nothing that anyone need to fear.

Of course true believers needed to make up a hell to go along with the heaven so they do have something to fear about death unless they are in standing with god.

How silly can anyone be?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:42 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
I wrote:
When you take terms that do not appear in scripture and attempt to define them metaphysically, you create a vortex of confusion that may swallow you whole.
I am not confused about what I have just said above...but if there is something you did not understand...I will explain it for you if you would like me to do so...

If you do not have any interest...then that is cool as well...
It's probably best for another topic, maybe 2 or more. There are many terms not appearing in scripture that have been incorporated into nominal christianity. That they may be spurious seems never to have occurred to those who spout them. They certainly have nothing to do with the life and sacrificial death of Jesus.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:42 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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living them off in order to be free, and clean and one with God the Father...


A very very very evil father that was at one point, by the bible, was willing to killed almost the whole human race by flood including infants in their mother arms due to having a bad hair day.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:44 am
@Olivier5,
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Hmmm... So what did he save you from? Be specific.

Everything mate...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 07:53 am
@neologist,
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Really?!
I thought they were " . . . the blameless are the ones that will be left over in [the earth]". (proverbs 2:21) You might consider reading verse 22 and see how it compares with the rapture teaching.

It's probably best for another topic, maybe 2 or more. There are many terms not appearing in scripture that have been incorporated into nominal christianity. That they may be spurious seems never to have occurred to those who spout them. They certainly have nothing to do with the life and sacrificial death of Jesus.


Suggestions noted...I guess it is not a bad thing to take a step down...to go up...Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards...

My words of encouragement in return...

Not everything is literal...in fact, almost all of revelations is metaphorical,...Which you said would swallow me whole...

Anyways, No where in the Bible does it physically state the God the Father's name is "Jehovah"

I know that this is widely accepted by many branches of faith...

But every scripture depicts that God the Fathers name is a mystery...and that no one knows what it actually is till one with God himself...

It starts with Moses on the mountain with the apparition of the Burning Bush...

And it says that it was a name that Moses could not pronounce...and although Moses had a stutter, he knew Hebrew...

And then God told Moses to call him...I am who am...Which means his actual name has nothing to do with Yahweh either...

And it would not make a difference what anyone chose to call him, so long as they recognized who he was, and is, and will be...

Knowing his name is only a privilege of the most high...

And I have not the slightest idea how far one would have to go to actually know it...

I certainly do not think any mortal knows what it is...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:00 am
@Olivier5,
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Ok so he saved you from slavery to sin and evilness. You see, it wasn't that painful...


You are quite right mate...It is easier to succeed then it is to fall...

I have had a prophetic dream where God allowed me to feel what it actually felt like to die, without dying per say...so I have no fear at all...wasn't painful at all mate...
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:04 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
. . . Anyways, No where in the Bible does it physically state the God the Father's name is "Jehovah" . . .
Psalm 83:18 (KJV)
Also, check translators' notes - the same Hebrew tetragrammaton is rendered LORD as compared to lord thousands of time in the 'OT'. Again, a topic for another thread, although it has been addressed in a few already.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:07 am
@neologist,
That is correct...and I remember what you have said...it is fun to try to interpret God the Fathers name....But the Bible simply never physically states his name is so...and all scripture passages are shrouds of mystery...

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Again, a topic for another thread

I was only interested in giving you a heads up...because I honestly thought you were looking out for me...
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:09 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
. . . Knowing his name is only a privilege of the most high...

And I have not the slightest idea how far one would have to go to actually know it...

I certainly do not think any mortal knows what it is...
Jesus knew it, used it, and extolled it (Matthew 6:9)
Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:10 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Unlike Jesus there is plenty of proof that Mohammad was a real person.

Like what? I'm not trying to argue with you, I actually don't know the answer to this question.

(EDIT: I just noticed that others have asked the same question before me. But I'm still interested in an answer.)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:13 am
@Olivier5,
Paul came along after the event.

Mohammed was also a military campaigner and statesman.

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The Battle of Khaybar was fought in the year 629 between Muhammad and his followers against the Jews living in the oasis of Khaybar, located 150 kilometers (93 mi) from Medina in the north-western part of the Arabian peninsula, in modern-day Saudi Arabia. According to Muslim sources, the Muslims attacked Jews who had barricaded themselves in a fort.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:20 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
. . . . the Bible simply never physically states his name is so...and all scripture passages are shrouds of mystery... I was only interested in giving you a heads up...because I honestly thought you were looking out for me...
I am looking out for you. It has not been fashionable in the last 100 years or so, to use the name Jehovah, although it was commonly in use for centuries before. Nevertheless, it is certainly more specific than the generic term 'god', which could mean any 'god'. The tetragrammaton is used many time in the Bible to denote the true God. Perhaps we should refer to Tetragrammaton as God's proper name? Seems a bit awkward, does it not?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:22 am
@neologist,
I do not mean to judge you or anything...but I believe that may be why you think a mortal could know it...That passage just illustrates how Jesus was not a mortal, even though he was flesh...

He was showing us mortals a way to actually relate to the Father himself...

But that is still not a direct passage from Jesus on what the Fathers physical name actually is...and like I have said...to us...it would not matter so long as we know who he was, is, and will be...

I suspect I may know what branch you may be...and why you believe the Fathers name is Jehovah...

I understand that you are interested in quoting scripture for me...and I do appreciate that...

But you can not find the Father without Jesus as the savior anyways...

John 14:6

New International Version (©2011)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

http://biblehub.com/john/14-6.htm


What version of the Bible do you actually read?

Is it actually NJK?

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:28 am
@neologist,
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I am looking out for you. It has not been fashionable in the last 100 years or so, to use the name Jehovah, although it was commonly in use for centuries before. Nevertheless, it is certainly more specific than the generic term 'god', which could mean any 'god'. The tetragrammaton is used many time in the Bible to denote the true God. Perhaps we should refer to Tetragrammaton as God's proper name? Seems a bit awkward, does it not?

Why would this be "better"? If we do not know, they we do not...if we pretend we do...then that is worse...So long as you recognize who God was, is, and will be...you are on your way...but if you think you know something...you know nothing at all...I appreciate you looking out for me...and that is why I am for you as well...

If ones faith is so devout...they would not even need to use a name to find God...

And anyone who does know God...would not be confused with another...or think that God would think that they are thinking of another God...Even if they addressed him as such...I am not sure if God would get pissed or not...and I would not test God...but Gods mind is incomprehensible...there is nothing he does not know...
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 08:31 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
Perhaps we should refer to Tetragrammaton as God's proper name? Seems a bit awkward, does it not?


What's wrong with Mr. God, initial O?
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 09:33 am
@neologist,
and have suffered for others transgressions...

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Really?!
I thought they were " . . . the blameless are the ones that will be left over in [the earth]". (proverbs 2:21) You might consider reading verse 22 and see how it compares with the rapture teaching.

Really mate...that is what blameless means...God is not saying that things are going to be perfect for them...he is specifically talking about who they are going to be for the suffering they are going through for and from others...that they are not guilty of themselves...

I can quote about a dozen scripture readings that say the penalty of sin is death...you must deny yourself and take up your cross...

Which means if they are on the Earth, they have not died yet...

There will be no more pain, or sorrow, and I will wipe every tear...

If they are physically in Heaven...they would not want to come back during the rapture...Would they?

If your next post is the 1,000 years with Jesus...just say so...and I will explain my position on that also...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 09:40 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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BTW mate...I was going to refrain...but it makes my bones quake not to speak....


OK

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If you do not know whether you would or would not want a bat rammed up your ass...then it is on you to understand why you would or would not...It is not on me to try to explain why or why not universally...although, I imagine a few nutters out there would take their precious time to explain how they think I could or should for them...


You do not make sense, the statement I made was in reference to your claim that nothing is objective.

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.everything is subjective...(beliefs, rejections, doubts) nothing is universal...(God, proof, evidence)


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Not exactly Spades, I think it is a universal understanding that Spades does not like to have a base ball bat rammed up his ass but if you think you have evidence that there may be others that would enjoy such an event would you please share?


The way I see it spades is that matter is real and objective, if you take matter that is many times larger than what you would want to put up your ass, I would think that you should know that the objective outcome is not going to be pretty even though it will be your own subjective experience.

I am not suggesting you try such an experiment but rather suggesting that others have a mind that could imagine the objective mess you would be in if you tried.
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