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Did Jesus Actually Exist?

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:34 pm
@reasoning logic,
OK...I will be specific...What ever someone subjectively believes is not mine...Whatever someone subjectively rejects, is no ones...not even theirs...unless they can explain how what they subjectively reject, is not because they subjectively believe they reject it...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:35 pm
@Olivier5,
Another point: one can find in the Talmud -- not where the good rabbis mentions Jesus -- quite a number of parallels with the Gospels, and not based on the OT either. Yet the Gospel writers most probably never ever read the Talmud, and the writers of the Talmuds were forbidden to read the Gospels... So where do these parallels come from? The simplest explanation is that they both borrowed from a common source: Jewish tradition.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:36 pm
@Olivier5,
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Even the very large number of gospels and the rapid rise of the Church shows that there was some sort of original phenomenum that sent all this in motion. It seems reasonnable to believe there was such a guy.


OK and you agree that Mohammad was a messenger of God as well being he fits into your category?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:36 pm
@reasoning logic,
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You do know that his work has been altered don't you? Maybe you will have an interest in the therapeutae and maybe you will not.

You do realize you are contributing to the alterations don't you? How do you know that the therapeutae did not alter Jesus' works as well?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
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OK and you agree that Mohammad was a messenger of God as well being he fits into your category?

I sincerely hope he does not agree with this...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:39 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Quote:
Whatever someone subjectively rejects, is no ones...not even theirs...unless they can explain how what they subjectively reject, is not because they subjectively believe they reject it...


Is this your subjective belief that makes "your world" as you see it or is this how the rest of the world sees it as well?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:44 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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You do realize you are contributing to the alterations don't you? How do you know that the therapeutae did not alter Jesus' works as well?


You are being silly aren't you? You have not even read what has been written of them or you would realize that they never mentioned Jesus.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:56 pm
I didn't think it was possible, but this thread is getting even more boring.

I'm outta here.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:09 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Is this your subjective belief that makes "your world" as you see it or is this how the rest of the world sees it as well?

You tell me...How do you subjectively reject what I have just said?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:15 pm
@reasoning logic,
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You are being silly aren't you? You have not even read what has been written of them or you would realize that they never mentioned Jesus.

Why would they have to? You just said that Oliver is contributing to the alterations, and then claimed that Oliver should read what the therapeutae had said...

How would Oliver reading what the theraputae had said alter whether or not Oliver or anyone else thinks someone had altered Jesus' works or not?

Nothing silly about that at all...
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:23 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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You tell me...How do you subjectively reject what I have just said?


If someone has a subjective opinion it is their opinion even if it was influenced by sociological currents.
Even tho we are all subjected to these currents none of us agree on all issues, That is why I say we all live in our own world.

If you have an interest I would recommend that you dig deeper than I have because I am the least among those who try and find the truth.

I shared the therapeutae with you, now I would like to dig a little deeper into their source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutatione_Nominum

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:29 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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How would Oliver reading what the theraputae had said alter whether or not Oliver or anyone else thinks someone had altered Jesus' works or not?


I had not made that claim but rather shared with Olivier historical writings.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:29 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
If someone has a subjective opinion it is their opinion even if it was influenced by sociological currents.
Even tho we are all subjected to these currents none of us agree on all issues, That is why I say we all live in our own world.

Thank you...this is all I needed to hear you say...everything is subjective...(beliefs, rejections, doubts) nothing is universal...(God, proof, evidence)
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:34 pm
@reasoning logic,
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You do know that his work has been altered don't you?

I do but that doesn't mean the original text was very different.

Quote:
Maybe you will have an interest in the therapeutae and maybe you will not.

Well, make it interesting!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:34 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Thank you...this is all I needed to hear you say...everything is subjective...(beliefs, rejections, doubts) nothing is universal...(God, proof, evidence)


Not exactly Spades, I think it is a universal understanding that Spades does not like to have a base ball bat rammed up his ass but if you think you have evidence that there may be others that would enjoy such an event would you please share?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:36 pm
@Olivier5,
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I do but that doesn't mean the original text was very different.


Jesus!
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:37 pm
@reasoning logic,
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OK and you agree that Mohammad was a messenger of God as well being he fits into your category?


That's not the point. Do you think Mohammad never existed? Cause that's what we discussing for Jesus, no his true prophet or messiah status.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
Didn't the aliens tell you?
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I had not made that claim but rather shared with Olivier historical writings.

OK, you are correct...I jumped the gun...I apologize for that...
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 06:41 pm
@Olivier5,
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Do you think Mohammad never existed? Cause that's what we discussing for Jesus, no his true prophet or messiah status.


Unlike Jesus there is plenty of proof that Mohammad was a real person.

There are plenty of proof for many people existing long before Jesus and after Jesus such as Mohammad that does not happen to exist for a Jesus.
 

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