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Did Jesus Actually Exist?

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 04:43 pm
@Olivier5,
Interesting...I am trying to see if I understand your position correctly....

Are you saying that a "Jesus" had existed, but he was not a savior of any kind?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 04:45 pm
@Olivier5,
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I was just kidding...

Great joke! I knew you could roll with the best of them here! As a couple have already explained you should on this website!
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 04:46 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Are you saying that a "Jesus" had existed, but he was not a savior of any kind?


Do you care about history? Do you realize that the word Jesus did not exist 500 years ago?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 04:49 pm
@reasoning logic,
?????

Is "Jeshua" better for you?
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 04:52 pm
@reasoning logic,
JESUS

I think it was S U S E (D) or Jes(t) us....

(Kidding Spades)
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 04:58 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Don't worry FS...I can tell you are kidding, and I know why...and I can tell that RL was not kidding, and I know why....

And I think you know why also...Wink...Very Happy
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:01 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
You call it hearsay...I call it a ridiculous claim...

The word "hearsay" has a commonly-accepted dictionary definition, and the stories in the Bible fit that definition. You can call that ridiculous if you want, but that would just be you inventing a language of your own. It would have nothing to do with you describing reality.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:08 pm
@Thomas,
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You can call that ridiculous if you want, but that would just be you inventing a language of your own. It would have nothing to do with you describing reality.


Welcome to my friend "Spade's world
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:10 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Are you saying that a "Jesus" had existed, but he was not a savior of any kind?


Very clearly, I don't believe in god and mythology, but I think there's a lot of evidence backing the idea of a guy called Jesus preaching and teaching important stuff, and ending up on a cross.

That however does not mean Jesus did not "save" anyone. IMO his message is very powerful and helped a lot of people, including me. I would go as far as finding in his message one of the roots of humanism and of the idea of human rights.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:10 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Is "Jeshua" better for you?


Well if the letters J and u did not exist then I would have to say it does seem puzzling.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:12 pm
@Olivier5,
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I think there's a lot of evidence backing the idea of a guy called Jesus preaching and teaching important stuff, and ending up on a cross.


Millions of people have been looking for this evidence, will you please share it with us all?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:14 pm
@Thomas,
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The word "hearsay" has a commonly-accepted dictionary definition, and the stories in the Bible fit that definition. You can call that ridiculous if you want, but that would just be you inventing a language of your own. It would have nothing to do with you describing reality.

Do you believe that this is true? Do you reject that this is true? Can you "prove" either one is true? 2 Cents Idea
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:15 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Welcome to my friend "Spade's world

That is not my world...because it is not mine...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:17 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Millions of people have been looking for this evidence, will you please share it with us all?

How about "the fact" of people bearing the wounds of a stigmata?
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:18 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Well if the letters J and u did not exist then I would have to say it does seem puzzling.

Why? You knew exactly what I meant both times I have said so...even though you claim that the letters did not exist...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:20 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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That is not my world...because it is not mine...


Sure it is. You are the only one who perceives reality as you do, "there is no one else that sees reality as you do and the same goes for me. Welcome to your creation Spades. Very Happy
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Millions of people have been looking for this evidence, will you please share it with us all?


LOL... Who would these "millions" be?

I have already shared some: mentions of the dude in the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus; mentions of him in the Talmud... Even the very large number of gospels and the rapid rise of the Church shows that there was some sort of original phenomenum that sent all this in motion. It seems reasonnable to believe there was such a guy.

The idea Jesus did not exist requires that all these sources are lies, AND also that a very successful church constituted itself and rose based on nothing... Seems really hard to believe.

What evidence do you have that he did NOT exist?


XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:24 pm
@reasoning logic,
That is not my World...because it is not mine...

Quote:
Sure it is

Are you sure that that is mine?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:31 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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That is not my world...because it is not mine...


OK be specific. What is not your world? Your subjective perception?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:34 pm
@Olivier5,
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Josephus


You do know that his work has been altered don't you? Maybe you will have an interest in the therapeutae and maybe you will not.
 

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