Did Jesus Actually Exist?

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

.Is the same way they would be offended that you laugh at what they think...

you're the only one who said something funny there

@ehBeth,

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If Bill is offended by my amusement that someone thinks I agree with him reflexively then I am sure he will tell me.

Sure? Wait, where did this come from? How can you be sure, if one can not know what another believes? Are you saying you are sure, because you know what he personally rejects? Please tell me what you think he personally rejects...because I would like to know....

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@ehBeth,

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You are not Kreskin.

I do not ever recall claiming I thought that this was true...or how I even feel...

Significance?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I don't know that he will be offended.

I do know from years of reading Bill's posts that he doesn't step back if something annoys him.

Nothing to do with belief. Nothing at all.

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@ehBeth,

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you're the only one who said something funny there

So, as long as you think things are funny...they are good to go?

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@ehBeth,

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I don't know that he will be offended.

I do know from years of reading Bill's posts that he doesn't step back if something annoys him.

Nothing to do with belief. Nothing at all.

Positive? Absolutely positive? Or is it possible that this is how you subjectively view it? But not what Bill has claimed? Can you possibly demonstrate how Bill thinks it has nothing at all to do with it? So that everyone else can see these facts and evidence for themselves? Or do we need to hear Bill's own subjective views, in order to understand how he actually thinks about it? In his own subjective ways himself?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Bill has posted before that the God of the Bible is just as likely as the tooth fairy and such...

You can not "validate" "just as likely" because those words in their contexts imply generalizations, and not the perspective of definite, or absolutes...

You can not possibly view 2 non-existent concepts as anything other than an absolutist thinking of how they both never existed, and never will...

If one thinks they do not and never have or will...

If someone makes a claim about non-existence in a non absolutist way...then it implies subjective thinking...and to me personally, that is exactly what a belief actually is...I am not sure why atheists seem to be petrified of this word...as if it auto makes you delusional or something...but that is the way I see it...and I am fine if they wish to call it a subjective opinion, or interpretation...or whichever way they would like to disguise this...(to me personally, from my own subjectivity)

LOL of course my opinion that there is no more reasons to believe in the Christian three in one supernatural god then the Tooth fairy or the god Zeus for that matter is an opinion however and it a damn big however I had not seen anyone ever given one solid real life proof for the existence of the Christian god head that would take such a concept out of the tooth fairy/Zeus and so on realm of beliefs.

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

We have the documentation of many such as Spades.

Yes --- all of it hearsay. To establish miracles like the virgin birth and the resurrection, you'd need evidence so good that the non-occurrence of the miracle would be an even greater miracle, given the evidence. When you have an unedited videotape of Mary giving birth to Jesus, with a clear view of Mary's intact hymen, we can talk. But a mountain of hearsay, no matter how high, just won't cut it.

reasoning logic wrote:

You may need to disconnect yourself from logical reasoning if you expect to have any hope of understanding any of the mystical things that others experience.

On what compulsion need I?

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

There are records of myths and heroic tales that are older than 2000 years. That doesn't prove that they are true stories. The only thing we can be fairly certain of is that they are good stories, that they had some entertainment value.

True. Specifically, Homer's epics are as old as the Bible, if not older. Most Christians don't consider this satisfactory evidence that the gods of ancient Greece were real. And they're perfectly right to consider it unsatisfactory! The only problem is with their double standard whenever the ancient story is Biblical rather than Illiadical, or Oddysseyical, or whatever. The status of all these books as evidence is equal --- equally poor.

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Seems to me like one "belief" leading to another "belief" leading to others. And the expectation (often demand) of respect for the "beliefs"...is amazing to me.

Of course, if it were presented as one "blind guess" leading to another "blind guess" leading to others...there probably wouldn't be an expectation of respect...and even less likely a demand for it.

Perhaps that is why these good folk are using the word "belief."

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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I don't know that he will be offended.

I do know from years of reading Bill's posts that he doesn't step back if something annoys him.

Nothing to do with belief. Nothing at all.

Positive? Absolutely positive?

Yes, I am positive that I do not know if Bill would be offended by my comment that we don't agree on a lot.

There is also evidence on these boards that if Bill is annoyed by something, or disagrees with something, he will comment on it.

He's not a particularly shy poster. What he is like in real life I do not know.

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@ehBeth,

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He's not a particularly shy poster. What he is like in real life I do not know

In real life I am about the same as I am on here, at least in my opinion and the only human that have the power to silent me due to her getting mad at me is my wife.......... Drunk

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@Thomas,

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Yes --- all of it hearsay. To establish miracles like the virgin birth and the resurrection, you'd need evidence so good that the non-occurrence of the miracle would be an even greater miracle, given the evidence. When you have an unedited videotape of Mary giving birth to Jesus, with a clear view of Mary's intact hymen, we can talk. But a mountain of hearsay, no matter how high, just won't cut it.

You call it hearsay...I call it a ridiculous claim...what happens when someones else's view of "proof" is different then your own? How do two different people differentiate what "proof is, or is not to them personally? It then is not about "proof" because it never was...but ones own subjective thinking...not "proof" itself...no one can convince anyone of anything they did not personally agree with...and proof would not alter this...

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@ehBeth,

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Yes, I am positive that I do not know if Bill would be offended by my comment that we don't agree on a lot.

There is also evidence on these boards that if Bill is annoyed by something, or disagrees with something, he will comment on it.

He's not a particularly shy poster. What he is like in real life I do not know.

Nothing to do with belief. Nothing.

Yes, you are also positive that you have no idea if it has to do with a personal belief for Bill unless he says it is or is not? Or are you positive it has to do with a personal belief?

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Gad! This thread is getting boring as ****!

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@Lustig Andrei,

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Gad! This thread is getting boring as ****!

Should I chip in? Smile

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@Lustig Andrei,

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Gad! This thread is getting boring as ****

Come on, I find the subject of myself far more interesting then the subject of all the fanciful gods mankind had come up with to date so it is getting more interesting not less at least in my opinion.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Gad! This thread is getting boring as ****

Come on, I find the subject of myself far more interesting then the subject of all the fanciful gods mankind had come up with to date so it is getting more interesting not less at least in my opinion.

Yes, but this thread isn't about you. At least, it wasn't until . . .

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@Olivier5,

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Should I chip in?

Go for it mate!~

This thread IS about the original question...and the people who post, and the people who freely choose to read it...

Even if others wish to play peekaboo....

Once they post...others become interested...

What is your view about all of this mate?

Because I am interested in hearing your own views...and won't ever claim you are boring, or it is not about you...

Wink

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I was just kidding... I have stated already that to me there's very little doubt about the issue. To assume Jesus never existed requires a larger conspiration theory than I can stomack.

But I don't believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection. Mark does not mention the virginal birth, and it's kinda stange when you think of it... And early versions do no have the resurrection bit at the end.

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