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Why I am an athiest

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 05:08 pm
@FBM,
Well, you would say that wouldn't you?
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 07:44 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
This highlights the substance of our disagreement. I believe it requires fewer assumptions to declare the existence of a creator who is somehow above or apart from the universe than it is to parse the convoluted explanations of those who consider themselves to be scientists.

All you're saying is that it's easier for you to believe in a supernatural explanation than in a natural one. And I'm sure it is, Magic is always easier than trying to figure things out. So the core substance of our disagreement is that you believe in Magic, and I don't.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 08:06 pm
@rosborne979,
Sort of a chaotic magic. Mr. Green
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 08:46 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Well, you would say that wouldn't you?


Would and did. What do you have to support your claim that I have a belief?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 09:16 pm
@FBM,
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What do you have to support your claim that I have a belief?


Any claim about the number of gods being equal to 0?
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 10:47 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
neologist wrote:
This highlights the substance of our disagreement. I believe it requires fewer assumptions to declare the existence of a creator who is somehow above or apart from the universe than it is to parse the convoluted explanations of those who consider themselves to be scientists.
All you're saying is that it's easier for you to believe in a supernatural explanation than in a natural one. And I'm sure it is, Magic is always easier than trying to figure things out. So the core substance of our disagreement is that you believe in Magic, and I don't.
If that is your definition of my belief, You will have to live with it. I am as spoof proof as anyone on this board, perhaps more so.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 11:14 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
What do you have to support your claim that I have a belief?


Any claim about the number of gods being equal to 0?


OK, find and present one. We need to see it.

I do sometimes resort to rhetoric, but when I'm speaking strictly, I suspend judgement on the issue.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 04:44 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
If that is your definition of my belief, You will have to live with it.
Based on what you've shown me of your view, how else would I define it? Are you implying that your concept of God is not supernatural?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 08:38 am
@FBM,
Quote:
OK, find and present one. We need to see it.


:-) Have you ever seen love? Yet I bet you've felt his arrows. Have you ever seen the truth? Yet sometimes, you were certain to hold it. Anything essential is invisible to the eye.

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I do sometimes resort to rhetoric, but when I'm speaking strictly, I suspend judgement on the issue.


Likewise. At heart I believe there is no god, other than those invented by men, but when I'm totally rational about it, I must admit I just don't know for sure.

And that's ok, beliefs are ok to have and cherish. Without them, we'd be as sexy and creative as a bunch of computers, IMO. A purely rational human being would be boring to death, and incapable of doing much.

I also believe the existence of god(s) is largely irrelevant to us humans, for if they exist, they're not interventionist. We're left to our own devices and responible for our collective destiny. Including what we're doing to this poor planet, polution, global warming, etc. Once Gaia was our caring mother goddes, now she's under our care, or lack thereof.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 10:52 am
@Olivier5,
Hume's Problem of Induction is pretty convincing. On the other hand, in all the amassed data collected by scientists over the centuries, there is yet nothing whatsoever, to my knowledge, that suggests such a being either exists or is necessary to explain observed phenomena.

I'm not saying there is or isn't a god; I'm saying that the probability of it seems so low as to be negligible. And I find it interesting that so many modern people who are otherwise reasonably intelligent are so willing to believe something for which there is no evidence over all the empirical data accumulated by the best human minds, just because it feels good.

That said, religion is a helluva drug. Instead of death being the end, you get to live forever in a celestial paradise. That would be nice, and it had me going for the first couple of decades of my life. Then I studied the Bible in university, and well... Laughing

A life without beliefs would not make a robot of you. I don't think anyone views me as robotic, and I've done a lot of self-scrutiny to rid myself of beliefs. Lack of beliefs does not entail lack of emotions, lack of humor, lack of creativity, lack of curiosity, etc.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 10:55 am
@FBM,
Quote:
I'm not saying there is or isn't a god; I'm saying that the probability of it seems so low as to be negligible.


Eggs-acktly . . . in my case, it's "don't know, don't care, don't believe it."
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:10 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
neologist wrote:
If that is your definition of my belief, You will have to live with it.
Based on what you've shown me of your view, how else would I define it? Are you implying that your concept of God is not supernatural?
As far as I can perceive, Jehovah operates according to what we call natural law. I don't believe that we have discovered or articulated all that is included in natural law.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:11 am
@neologist,
You wrote,
Quote:
Jehovah = natural law
. Where did you find this gem? The Dead Sea Scrolls? LOL
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
What's your point?

Oh, and that's a misquote
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FBM
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:22 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Quote:
I'm not saying there is or isn't a god; I'm saying that the probability of it seems so low as to be negligible.


Eggs-acktly . . . in my case, it's "don't know, don't care, don't believe it."


Yup. They gotta come up with some serious evidence if they expect me to get up early on Sundays and go to a special place to compare clothing with people I generally try to avoid the other 6 days of the week.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:25 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
. . . Yup. They gotta come up with some serious evidence if they expect me to get up early on Sundays and go to a special place to compare clothing with people I generally try to avoid the other 6 days of the week.
You compare clothing?
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:31 am
@neologist,
Hell, no. I stay in bed and scratch myself while others do.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:40 am
@FBM,
Oh, I thought you meant you didn't need a special place to compare clothing. Very Happy
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:48 am
@neologist,
Ah! Wink If I could get away with not wearing any, I'd do it...
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2013 11:52 am
@FBM,
Information overload! Very Happy
 

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