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Why I am an athiest

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:31 am
@FBM,
When we ask you a question, you don't answer them. Laughing Laughing Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Drunk Drunk Drunk
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

When we ask you a question, you don't answer them. Laughing Laughing Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Drunk Drunk Drunk


I suggest writing comprehensibly.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:34 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:

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Why do you assume that I don't trust my sense of self to be a sense of self? I trust it that far, but I don't go further to claim that there is a singular, unique identity that was born and endures as that same entity until death. As far as I've been able to determine, all the physical substance and all the mental content associated with that body is completely replaced many times over in the course of the average lifespan. If there is a soul or spirit that resides identically throughout that time span, then no one has yet, to my knowledge, been able to find such a thing. It is reasonably doubted due to lack of empirical evidence.


O5: So to the question: How are a car and a self different? You answer: a car is made of matter, it can be weighted, and it can kill me. Hence I don't have the luxury to doubt its existence when I sense one, while a self is immaterial and thus cannot kill me, so I can indulge in the luxury of not assuming it exists when I sense one?


And the next straw man fallacy is revealed. Why don't you at least ask me what I mean before going off on these ridiculous tangents? Is your desire to win an internet argument so, so strong? Is it a dick-measuring contest for you?



Likewise. What's this post about?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:38 am
@FBM,
FBM: Why do you assume that I don't trust my sense of self to be a sense of self? I trust it that far, but I don't go further to claim that there is a singular, unique identity that was born and endures as that same entity until death. As far as I've been able to determine, all the physical substance and all the mental content associated with that body is completely replaced many times over in the course of the average lifespan. If there is a soul or spirit that resides identically throughout that time span, then no one has yet, to my knowledge, been able to find such a thing. It is reasonably doubted due to lack of empirical evidence.

O5: So to the question: How are a car and a self different? You answer: a car is made of matter, it can be weighted, and it can kill me. Hence I don't have the luxury to doubt its existence when I sense one, while a self is immaterial and thus cannot kill me, so I can indulge in the luxury of not assuming it exists when I sense one?

FBM: And the next straw man fallacy is revealed. Why don't you at least ask me what I mean before going off on these ridiculous tangents? Is your desire to win an internet argument so, so strong? Is it a dick-measuring contest for you?

O5: this was no stawman, just a question. I was asking; didn't you notice the question mark at the end of my post?

This is no dick measuring session, and you're the one being insulting and emotional now. This is an idea measuring session. A series of questions and answers, as I would like to structure it. Either you can answer questions or you can't.

For instance, have you ever made a reasoned judgement or a moral call based on existing and necessarily partial/insufficient evidence? Yes or no.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:39 am
@FBM,
Mistake. See my next answer.
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FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:40 am
Where were we?

"Is it possible to live without beliefs?"

Me: "I don't know. I'll experiment and see what I come up with."

Olivier/cicerone: "No! And if you say anything that contradicts my opinions, I'll distort your comments, destroy my own distortions, and then subject you to ridicule on the internet as if I had destroyed something you said!"
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:42 am
@FBM,
Show what I have posted to any tenth grader. They'll be able to translate it for you! LOL
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:45 am
@FBM,
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What's the difference between information and matter?


The question assumes a difference where there is no real difference. It's all a question of viewpoint, and level of analysis. Simply put, information is the way matter is structured.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:47 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
What's the difference between information and matter?


The question assumes a difference where there is no real difference. It's all a question of viewpoint, and level of analysis. Simply put, information is the way matter is structured.


So what do we disagree about?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:50 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Where were we?

"Is it possible to live without beliefs?"

Me: "I don't know. I'll experiment and see what I come up with."

Olivier/cicerone: "No! And if you say anything that contradicts my opinions, I'll distort your comments, destroy my own distortions, and then subject you to ridicule on the internet as if I had destroyed something you said!"


Oh please. We're only asking questions. Currious people want to know about Pyrrhonism.

what I am really answering to the question above is:"I know. I have experimented and saw what I came up with. It is an irrational, empirically unsupported and illogical premisse to try and live without beliefs."
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:51 am
@FBM,
You tell me.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:58 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Oh please. We're only asking questions.


Point of order: You asserted that it is impossible to live without beliefs.

Quote:
Currious people want to know about Pyrrhonism.


It's about time you asked. I've been trying to explain about it for a while now.

Quote:
what I am really answering to the question above is:"I know. I have experimented and saw what I came up with. It is an irrational, empirically unsupported and illogical premisse to try and live without beliefs."


Is this yet another parody/straw man? How many times can you commit the same logical fallacy before learning that it's a logical fallacy?
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 10:59 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

You tell me.


???
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 11:18 am
@FBM,
You tell me what you and I disagree about. I don't know anymore. The capacity for structuration is an important feature of matter, it's not some trivial aspect. It is central to our own existence.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 11:26 am
@FBM,
You wrote,
Quote:
"No! And if you say anything that contradicts my opinions, I'll distort your comments, destroy my own distortions, and then subject you to ridicule on the internet as if I had destroyed something you said!"


Don't worry about any ridicule towards me on a2k. I've been around here since the beginning, and have over 80,000 posts on all matters of subjects.

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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 12:25 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Point of order: You asserted that it is impossible to live without beliefs.


And you asserted it is possible. What is dogmatic about any of these assertions?

Quote:
Is this yet another parody/straw man? How many times can you commit the same logical fallacy before learning that it's a logical fallacy?


I was providing my real answer, to counter your strawman of my and cicerone's answer to the question about beliefs. You are no small user of straw men yourself.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 07:19 pm
Straw man after straw man. Either that or your reading comprehension needs a great deal of work.

But anyway, now that it's clear that this is just a mask for your defense of theism, I'm done. I'm not going to try to talk anyone off their religion. It's a waste of time. I'm tired of that argument and I've yet to encounter a theist who could discuss it honestly and dispassionately.
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FBM
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 07:28 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Where were we?

"Is it possible to live without beliefs?"

Me: "I don't know. I'll experiment and see what I come up with."

Olivier/cicerone: "No! And if you say anything that contradicts my opinions, I'll distort your comments, destroy my own distortions, and then subject you to ridicule on the internet as if I had destroyed something you said!"
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 08:35 pm
@FBM,
"Is it possible to live without beliefs?"

FBM: "I don't know. I'll experiment and see what I come up with."

Olivier: "I know. I have experimented and saw what I came up with. I am glad to report it is an irrational, empirically unsupported and illogical premisse to try and live without beliefs."

That's all we've been saying for zillions of posts. And I stand by that sentence above which is not a straw man but my position.

I am an atheist too, by the way. But a realist one.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 08:37 pm
@Olivier5,
For instance, have you ever made a reasoned judgement or a moral call based on existing and necessarily partial/insufficient evidence? Yes or no.
 

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