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Manhunt Going On In Watertown, Massachusetts Right Now

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:17 am
@hawkeye10,
From everything I've been able to determine, these creeps are a lot more like Charles Manson than they are true believers.

They may try to wrap themselves in some sort of ideology in order to borrow some kind of "legitimacy," but really all they wanted to do was kill people in order to get fame and attention.

"Look at me! I shut down Boston! Ain't no one never done that before!"
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:18 am
For any Adam Gopnik readers, he agrees here with McTag and Farmerman -
I can see their point of view; have not (yet) changed my mind on appreciating the effort to perimeter the area.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:19 am
@maxdancona,
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First of all, Farmerman, the victory we are celebrating is not a victory in the made up "War on Terror". It is a victory of us as a community being able to overcome a tragic act of violence keeping our character and values in tact as a great city



Excuse me for not being able to tell the difference. I thought it was as embarrassing as any bunch of thugs tearing a town apart when they win a STanley Cup or a World Series. Except the stakes were so much higher here.

IMHO, I didnt see any "great city" stuff going on. Isaw another excuse to get hammered by a bunch of douche bags.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:22 am
@McTag,
The squads were out there to provide some footage for the next empty headed Stallone or Arnold movie.

All to get the idiots pumped up again. Did you see Farmer's post? Sick sick sick.

Illegal invasion anyone? Let's do Chechnya! Naaaaa, they've got nothing to steal.

Man, you guys know know to do propaganda!!
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:24 am
@maxdancona,
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I am celebrating that we as a community stood together and dealt with a tragic event with dignity and pride


dignity and pride are responsible for a lot of stupid acts...but go right on feeling great about yourself, that is what really matters here.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:26 am
@ossobuco,
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I can see their point of view; have not (yet) changed my mind on appreciating the effort to perimeter the area.

there is both hard work and good work....I'd rather cheer good work.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:28 am
@DrewDad,
A perfect citizen. Just the kinda guy you want to put on a jury, upholding that rule of law that America is famous for.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:30 am
@DrewDad,
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They may try to wrap themselves in some sort of ideology in order to borrow some kind of "legitimacy," but really all they wanted to do was kill people in order to get fame and attention.


Shock and Awe, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq, terrorist drones, secret torture chambers, ...

What sort of ideology do you wrap yourself in, DrewDad?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:34 am
@Setanta,
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Terrorists routinely tip their hands.



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If you want one example of hard proof of the CIA's involvement in this, and their approach to it, dig up `The Sabotage Manual', that they were circulating throughout Nicaragua, a comic-book type of a paper, with visual explanations of what you can do to bring a society to a halt, how you can gum up typewriters, what you can pour in a gas tank to burn up engines, what you can stuff in a sewage to stop up the sewage so it won't work, things you can do to make a society simply cease to function.

Systematically, the contras have been assassinating religious workers, teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators. You remember the assassination manual? that surfaced in 1984. It caused such a stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror. This is a technique that they're using to traumatize the society so that it can't function.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_2.html
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:36 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

A perfect citizen. Just the kinda guy you want to put on a jury, upholding that rule of law that America is famous for.

according to the law this man should have been read his rights upon capture, but the police have so far refused to do so.....thus supporting the nasty stuff you say against America.

this is shame worthy, but you will hear few complaints from my fellow citizens.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:36 am
@Setanta,
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Terrorists routinely tip their hands.


Quote:
U.S. intelligence officers worked over Vietnam for a total of 25 years, with greater and greater involvement, massive propaganda, deceiving the American people about what was happening. Panicking people in Vietnam to create migrations to the south so they could photograph it and show how people were fleeing communism. And on and on, until they got us into the Vietnam war, and 2,000,000 people were killed.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_1.html

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 11:58 am
it is very clear to me that many people of Boston think that this is their 9/11 moment. not. the people of NYC reacted heroically and in proportion to the call, the people of Boston locked themselves in their homes and let the terrorists win by default.

they neither deserve nor should expect the applause of the nation as we honored the citizens of NYC.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 12:10 pm
@farmerman,
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Ive been in wartime situations involving the types of terrorism that was demo'd in Boston on Mon. All I can say from experience is that it doesnt "Go away" once theyve figured out how you work. The "good guys" winning isnt even the issue in terrorism. Its a repeated slogging and inconveniencing of a large group of people to make a point. Killing isnt even the goal, discomfort to as many as possible is.


Which group were you involved with, Farmer, the Contras perhaps?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 12:39 pm
From the beginning all the talk about how Boston was strong and how Boston would overcome, made me uncomfortable. Boston didn't die and Boston didn't lose limbs. The people who were speaking for Boston were not the people who suffered at the hands of the terrorists.

This isn't a knock on Boston and Bostonians, but I don't see how any claim to extraordinary behavior can be credited to the city and all of its inhabitants. The bombing took place on Monday and the final suspect was captured on Friday.

In between, what behavior could reasonably have been expected to occur in a city that doesn't have the "strength" of Boston's "values and diversity?"

Not such a bad thing for people to feel proud about themselves and their community, but it can be overblown.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 12:46 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Not such a bad thing for people to feel proud about themselves and their community, but it can be overblown.

as well be entirely misplaced....and that tends to be a bad thing as it prevents lessons from being learned.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 12:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
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hey neither deserve nor should expect the applause of the nation as we honored the citizens of NYC.


Strange as I had seen videos of just plain Boston bystanders in some numbers running toward not away from the explosion sites and rending life saving first aid and moving the victims to safest and medical care.

Perhaps you miss such videos in some manner Hawkeye?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 01:09 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Have you once again shown the incredible hypocrisy that Americans [and you] are famous for, Finn, or have you simply provided some very apt descriptions of just how US propaganda actually works.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 01:47 pm
Finn is right, but of course it's not just Boston and Bostonians - it's America and Americans.

Kudos to Osso for her honesty in bringing this article to our attention.

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APRIL 19, 2013
DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV, LOST AND FOUND
POSTED BY ADAM GOPNIK

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And it was an American story, too, in what could only be called a hysterical and insular overreaction that allowed it to become the sole national narrative. I happened to be in London on 7/7—a far more deadly and frightening terrorist attack—and by 7 P.M. on that horrible day, with the terrorists still at large (they were dead already, but no one knew that) the red double-decker buses were rolling and the traffic was turning and life, though hardly normal, was determinedly going on. The decision to shut down Boston, though doubtless made in good faith and from honest anxiety, seemed like an undue surrender to the power of the terrorist act—as did, indeed, the readiness to turn over the entire attention of the nation to a violent, scary, tragic, lurid but, in the larger scheme of things, ultimately small threat to the public peace.

The toxic combination of round-the-clock cable television—does anyone now recall the killer of Gianni Versace, who claimed exactly the same kind of attention then as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did today?—and an already exaggerated sense of the risk of terrorism turned a horrible story of maiming and death and cruelty into a national epic of fear. What terrorists want is to terrify people; Americans always oblige.


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-is-found.html


"What terrorists want is to terrify people; Americans always oblige."

How wonderfully ironic. Think Iraq, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Vietnam, and the "Over 200 times we [the USA] have put our forces into other countries".
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 01:54 pm
@JTT,
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"What terrorists want is to terrify people; Americans always oblige."

we are a fearful people, which makes it easy for the elites to manipulate us. coincidence? I think not...fear is constantly peddled through the media on purpose. we simply lack the education and the foundations of self to resist the propaganda.

we had some good terror porn this week....cheers!
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2013 02:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
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we are a fearful people, which makes it easy for the elites to manipulate us. coincidence? I think not...fear is constantly peddled through the media on purpose. we simply lack the education and the foundations of self to resist the propaganda.


Where have you been for the last how many years, Hawkeye?

So much factual information put right in front of your noses clearly documenting US war crimes and terrorism. You and every other person who has studiously avoided all the sources I've long provided have known for years what you describe above.

Why why why oh why?
 

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