Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 10:49 am
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda," said former White House counterrorism official Richard Clarke to Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes. It's a statement often made by Democrats and critics of the Bush administration.

The problem is it's flat out wrong. As CIA Director George Tenet told the Senate Intelligence Committee in October 2002, "We have credible reporting that al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs." The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes has documented copious evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq.

Such evidence is not conclusive. But it is evidence. Clarke and others who state with certainty that we know of no ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime are simply wrong. On the basis of the evidence currently available, we cannot know for sure that there was no connection between al Qaeda and Iraq or that Saddam was not connected in some way to the September 11 attacks. And we probably never will know those things for certain.

Policymakers have to make decisions on the basis of incomplete and sometimes fragmentary evidence. When confronted with evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq, those who say there is no evidence fall back on the argument that the evidence is not conclusive. And indeed it is not. But that is no reason not to have taken action against Saddam.

Opponents of that action seem to assume that it should not have been taken unless there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. But evil regimes are not entitled to a presumption of innocence. The presumption of the moral equality of individuals within a society does not mean that there should be a moral presumption of the moral equality of regimes within the world. Regimes have history, and few regimes have a history of brutality and aggression as stark as that of Saddam. There is no reason to assume that there were no ties between al Qaeda and Saddam just because the evidence of such ties was inconclusive. Absence of evidence, as Donald Rumsfeld has said, is not evidence of absence.

My own guess-and it is only that-is that there were ties between al Qaeda and Iraq and that Saddam aided and abetted September 11. I cannot prove that. But no one can prove the opposite either.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 10:55 am
I believe that the people running the gov't right now are perfectly happy to see gasoline prices go through the roof because it helps the oil companies. As is the case with the writer above, "I cannot prove that. But no one can prove the opposite either."

Hey, this is fun!
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Titus
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 11:02 am
"I believe that the people running the gov't right now are perfectly happy to see gasoline prices go through the roof because it helps the oil companies." D'Artagnan

Yeppir.

Both Bush and Cheney are oil men and have deep payback obligations for the support of the oil industry during their careers.

Never mind that some analysts are forecasting $3.00 a gallon regular by July 4th, 2004.

Of course, Bush loyalists will chortle and reassure that at least we're not paying "$5.00 a gallon like they are in the UK," as if this will provide comfort when we get our Chevron bill each month.

The big miscalculation of Bush's guerilla war in Iraq was the condition of the Iraqi oil industry after the 10 year embargo which made it difficult for Saddam to maintain the Tikrit oil fields. Iraq's oil facilities will require billions in American taxpayer dollars to get up to par.

Enter Haliburton. LOL!!!!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 11:04 am
Let me go get my tinfoil hat so I can get in on your theories...hold on...
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 11:15 am
You can borrow your hat from the guy who wrote the article you're sharing, McG...
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SealPoet
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 11:39 am
The National Interest on the National Debt is going to bankrupt the National Children...

Well... there's no evidence that that isn't going to happen...
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 11:43 am
The more I think about that writer's line, the more I like it:

"I cannot prove that. But no one can prove the opposite either."
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 12:04 pm
D'art

I know. This silliness is too funny for words. Or the presumption that this newspaper fellow, or the Weekly Standard writer he references, are going to have superior knowledge to Clarke about terrorism and connections between groups...how does anyone swallow this stuff.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 12:23 pm
Unfortunately, blatham, they not only swallow it, but they post it on-line to share with others. As if it makes some sense. Weird...
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suzy
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2004 01:20 pm
haha! You guys are too funny. Laughing
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