Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

New York Times
By MONICA DAVEY
Published: January 6, 2014

CHICAGO — This city’s ban on gun shops violates the Constitution,
a federal judge ruled on Monday, dealing the latest setback to
politicians here who had put in place some of the nation’s most severe
limits on firearms.

“The stark reality facing the city each year is thousands of shooting
victims and hundreds of murders committed with a gun,” the judge,
Edmond E. Chang, of Federal District Court for the Northern District
of Illinois, wrote “but on the other side of this case is another feature
of government: certain fundamental rights are protected by the Constitution,
put outside government’s reach, including the right to keep and bear arms
for self-defense under the Second Amendment.”

[All emfasis has been added by David.] This case will very likely
be appealed, but the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals has already held
that the place that a citizen has a right to defend himself
is the place where he is attacked. The USSC has been liberty-friendly.





David

Man arrested with 48 bombs: NRA member & ex-College Republican
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/07/1267973/-Man-arrested-with-48-bombs-NRA-member-ex-College-Republican?detail=facebook#

From beat cops to cashiers to Gov. Nikki Haley, South Carolina’s
newest gun manufacturer has received an “absolutely tremendous”
amount of support since leaving Connecticut for The Palmetto State,
according to the firm's CEO.

Josh Fiorini, CEO of PTR Industries, formerly of Bristol., Conn., told
FoxNews.com that the firm’s new facility in Aynor, S.C., remains a
week away from production, but 11 local employees began sorting
inventory on Monday along with a team of training personnel from
Connecticut. The manufacturer of military-style rifles announced
in April that it intended to leave Bristol following the passage of gun-
control legislation after the shooting deaths of 26 people, including
20 children, at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown.

“In general, things are going very well,” Fiorini said Tuesday.
“Basically, we’re just unpacking and training right now, but the
building is coming together and we’re putting on the final touches.
We’re all very excited.”

"In Connecticut, we always felt like a dirty little secret. Down there,
it’s very much the opposite."
- Josh Fiorini, CEO, PTR Industries

The company, which purchased its new 58,000-square-foot facility
at a discounted price of $3 million and reportedly received an
undisclosed amount of tax rebates, employed more than 40
employees in Connecticut and 21 of them will move to South Carolina.
Fiorini said it will hire an additional 30 workers within the first
quarter of 2014, with a goal of having 120 employees in 2017.

“The facility that we’re going to move into is fantastically better than
the one we’re coming from,” he said. “It allows us to consolidate two
facilities into one and it’s much more modern, allowing us to set up
our line in a more efficient way and hopefully expand.”

Among its full-time positions, which include health care and dental
plans, Fiorini said assembly line workers can earn up to $20 per hour
depending on experience, while machine operators are paid up to $25
hourly. Salaries for engineers and managers, meanwhile, can reach $80,000,
he said.

"It’s a big range,” he said. “And what we really want to do here is get
to about 120 [employees] within three years and to be around 150
within five years.”

Roughly 2,000 people applied for 30 positions within the company in
November, Fiorini said.

Bob Grabowski, a councilman in Horry County, was the company’s first
hire in South Carolina back in October. Grabowski later joined PTR
Industries as a full-time employee in December and now works as its
purchasing manager. Grabowski said he was one of the early proponents
for the move to a more “pro-gun” atmosphere, especially when compared to Connecticut.

“The political welcoming has been very good,” said Grabowski, adding
that Hailey and Rep. Tom Rice supported the June announcement for
the move. “It’s been a very exciting and welcoming atmosphere for PTR.
My perception is that Connecticut wasn’t very welcoming to PTR Industries
in general and legislated them out of business and out of the state,
whereas the political climate in South Carolina is very different.”

Grabowski continued: “There’s a lot of people down here very
excited about this place. Most people around here are very pro-gun.”

Lisa Bourcier, public information director for Horry County, told
FoxNews.com that the county experienced a “good year” in job
growth since PTR Industries announced its plans to join the Cool
Springs Business Park near Aynor.

“Our area leaders think it's not too far-fetched to believe Horry County
could very well be a major player in the gun manufacturing industry,”
Bourcier said in email to FoxNews.com. “The great thing is we have a
council that's focused on economic development, and we're all
working together to bring more jobs to our community.”

Fiorini, meanwhile, said the company will no longer feel like the
“dirty little secret” it did in Connecticut.

“I have personally been able to get a very good feel from South Carolina,
from the governor down to the local beat cops to your average citizen,”
he said. “The welcoming has been tremendous. People on the street,
cashiers at the gas station or the pizza place, or even TSA agents,
they know who we are and they’re happy to have us. In Connecticut,
we always felt like a dirty little secret. Down there, it’s very much
the opposite.”

Magpul Industries, an ammunition magazine manufacturer, announced
last week it plans to make good on its threat to leave Colorado due to
new restrictions on guns, including the ban of ammunition magazines
that hold more than 15 rounds. The company, which employs roughly
250 people, will move its corporate headquarters to Texas.
[All emfasis has been added by David; maybe I shud become a gunsmith.]

The Washington Times
Motor City has become Murder City. With 333 homicides of all kinds last year,
Detroit tops the list of major cities under siege by violent criminals.
The man with the nation’s most thankless job, Detroit Police Chief
James E. Craig, shocked the establishment when he said last week
that he thinks the solution to Motown’s crime is more guns.

Chief Craig served nearly three decades in the Los Angeles Police Department,
where figuratively speaking, “it took an act of Congress” to get a license to carry a gun.
That’s how he once thought things ought to be done. He was a standard-issue big-city
police official. Then he moved east to become the top cop in Portland, Maine,
one of the safest cities he had ever been in and where many people own and carry guns.

Suddenly, an epiphany. “Suspects knew that good Americans were armed,” he says.
Now in Detroit, Chief Craig credits the decrease in crime in part to the “number of
concealed-carry license holders running around the city of Detroit.”
If more Detroit citizens were armed, Chief Craig told a news conference
last week, criminals would think twice before attacking them.

That reflects what Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association
said in the wake of the Sandy Hook school shootings in Newtown,
Conn., last year. “The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun,” he said,
“is a good guy with a gun” but that’s apostasy among liberals.
Few big-city police chiefs have the courage to speak up on anything
controversial unless it’s to parrot the views of the liberal mayors who
hire them and fire them.

Beat cops have never been persuaded that depriving citizens of the
legal right to defend themselves and their families with a gun is
anything more than disarming the victim. In 2011, a survey of police
officers by the National Association of Chiefs of Police found that 98 percent
of those surveyed think “any law-abiding citizen should be able to legally
purchase a firearm for sport and self-defense.” 79 percent think someone
with a license to carry a gun in one state should be legally allowed to carry it
concealed in another.

Chief Craig sees the results firsthand of legal gun ownership.
There have been 73 “justifiable homicides” in Detroit since 2011,
and 15 in 2013. Most of these, reports The Detroit News, involved
residents such as 76-year-old Willie White, who fatally shot a man
who broke into his home. His house had been broken into several times
before he confronted and fatally shot an 18-year-old thug who had
broken in in 2012. Mr. White told The News, “… these criminals would
definitely think twice if they knew more citizens were armed.”

Detroit is bankrupt financially, but not in a police chief with courage
and initiative, and citizens who are determined to take their city back from criminals.


FOR THE RECORD:
Posting this article does not imply that I countenance any government
having any authority to license the right to self defense, including
the right to continuous access of defensive weapons. Criminals have
armed themselves according to their tastes in the past and thay will
do so in the future as sure as thay will continue to use marijuana and beer.
Their future victims have a Natural Right and a Constitutional Right to use firearms
to defend their lives and property. EVERYONE has the right to equal protection of the laws.
I root for the victims. Supporters of gun control want the bad guys to have a monopoly of power in predatory events.

[All emfasis has been added by David.]





David

Gun control is anti-American. Gun control is pro-evil.

What does it do for investment in Detroit Dave?

The way to avoid having to wear a diving suit is to not go underwater.

Having less crime shud raise property values.
I believe that if as many citizens have defensive personal guns
as now have TV sets, then crime will drasticly decline,
as being un-safe for criminal predators.
As their numbers visibly dwindle from attrition,
criminals will be progressively dissuaded from persisting in crime.

Gun control is government 's raping
of the Charter of its own creation.

In America, the US Dept. of Labor has its
"Occupational Safety and Health Administration"
(ofen referred to as: "OSHA") whose mission
it is to reduce dangers to employees on-the-job.

Gun control is OSHA for violent felons,
protecting them on-the-job from the defenses of their victims.
Gun control is health insurance for violent criminals, at the expense of their victims.

When they have dwindled to nothing what will the guns then be for? You'll be left with the good guys all armed and any resultant homicides becoming a powerful argument for banning guns altogether.

Why not ban them now and save the trouble and crucify gun criminals on raised mounds at busy freeway intersections?

Sport & ornamentation.


Well, since in a free country,
something as low as a government has NO authority
to interfere, we need not be much concerned about it.



1. The bad guys are not all dead yet.

2. No one (especially not government) has any authority to ban them.
Banning them woud only be a stupid joke, that no one in his right mind woud respect.
( Imagine a law that said: "turn in all your marijuana; give it to US!"
How much do think thay 'd get ?? )

3. Much nicer to crucify supporters of gun control!!!

I love how you guys like to point out the political affiliations of Right wing shooters, but completely miss when there is someone who was a left-wing shooter.

The shooting that took place here in CO at my old high school was done by a kid who was a self-admitted communist. No mention in the news of his affiliations, in fact the news went out of their way to not mention it.

You are a joke Rex.

Women arming themselves a growing trend
Ever greater numbers of women are buying and learning
to use guns for self-defense
Written by
Kym Klass

Jan. 11, 2014

With feet positioned shoulder-width apart and eyes narrowing in on a target
several feet ahead, arms and hands are steady and knees, slightly bent.

The top third of the forefinger rests on the trigger of a .38 revolver
and the outline of a man is the target. First shot: It is powerful and loud,
with the sound of the force muffled only by ear protection. The target
is hit in the chest area. The shooter looks at the instructor slightly and
she is told to continue. Second hit: chest. Third hit. Fourth.

“You actually did really good,” said Lt. Stephen Lavender, training bureau
commander with the Montgomery Police Academy. “Want to do it again?”

The revolver is reloaded.

It is a scenario Lavender handles on a frequent basis as he trains citizens
through the academy’s Firearms Familiarization Course, a monthly
eight-hour course designed to make firearm owners familiar with not
only their weapon, but gun laws and the parameters they have to
accept when owning a gun.

“Women are coming here to learn how to use the weapon, and
what we’re able to offer is more than just the ability to shoot.”

Nationally, more and more women are refining that ability.

According to Gallup poll data, the percentage of American women who
own a firearm nearly doubled from 2005-2011, rising from 13 percent
to 23 percent. In August, the National Shooting Sports Foundation
reported that 37 percent of new target shooters are female, though they
comprise only 22 percent of the established target-shooting population.

Dennis Cotton has seen those numbers.

As the project manager of the Alabama Shooting Complex located on
the north side of Talladega, he said women are the largest growing
group of shooters. The 800-acre complex is a full-service shooting
complex that will address pistol, rifle and shotgun sports and archery.
Within 35 miles of the complex, and of the 345,000 shooters within
that range, 51 percent are women, Cotton said. The majority of the
women are between the ages of 25 and 64 years old.

“Women are enjoying it,” he said. “They like to have the ability to
protect themselves. It’s wide range, from teens to grandmothers.”

A steady increase
At The Gun Shoppe on Bell Road, owners Doug and Marsha Williamson
have seen a steady increase in women purchasing firearms over the
past five to seven years.

“I think they realize in the society we live in they are not always in
a group where gentlemen are around, and they are taking personal
responsibility for that,” Doug Williamson said. “These ladies have made
the decision to prepare ... to take care of themselves. We have been
giving classes to the private sector for almost 15 years.”

While many women still participate in the store’s co-ed classes, in the
past three or four years, there has been an increase in interest in the
ladies-only classes.

“... Since we offered specifically ladies-only courses for those who
have had no previous exposure to firearms, and make sure everybody is
accommodated according to her skill level, we’ve had more interest,”
he said.

Most of the time, Williamson said, the women say they want to use
the weapons safely, and that they want to learn to shoot because
“they might need to use it for self-defense. The way we explain all
of this is that they need to understand the Alabama provision:
the aggressor must have the ability to do you bodily harm. We don’t
make any recommendations in how they should deal with a situation.
All we can do is explain to them what the law says about it and what
the jury looks at if there is a case of self-defense.”

The three components
During training, Lavender teaches students what to think about when
deciding whether to shoot if confronted: ability, capability and jeopardy.

“Do the persons have the ability to cause harm? Are they capable of
causing harm ? That depends on if they come through that barrier,
like if they are in your house,” he said. “Jeopardy is the number one
thing we get them to think about because jeopardy asks them to look at:
‘If I don’t do something right now, am I going to die or be seriously injured?'

“If they can couple all this together, they are likely in the parameters
of using deadly force to stop that person,” Lavender said. “We look at
all sorts of things. Gender is always a key. How big is that male versus
that female? 'I don’t have any self-defense tactics ... even if I knew it,
he would overcome it.' In those efforts, we tell them to look at that.”

Lavender points out the Firearms Familiarization Course is designed
to teach students to “stop, not kill. They also teach them to render aid.
If they are breathing their last breath, they will stay down,” he said.

Teaching women
They work in attorney offices, are city employees, and even teachers.
Those in the course with the Montgomery Police Academy are between
the ages of 21 through their 70s.

They are of all backgrounds and are taught immediately that pulling
out a gun is not a bargaining tool.

“If you pull it out, it is intended to use,” Lavender said. “If you can’t
answer the three components, don’t use it as a bluffing tool. They’ll
come take it from you.”

Asked whether burglars take seriously women who have guns, he said
yes: “More than likely they’ll run, because they didn’t come to die.”

Women are taught to always have their pistol licenses on them,
otherwise it is a violation of carrying a concealed weapon, Lavender said.

“We try to make sure we paint a clear picture with everything that
has to do with being a responsible carrier,” he said.

A lot of the women who take the course have guns, but have never
shot them, Lavender said. It sits in a locked box and they never touch
it — until crime spikes and they want to learn how to use it.

“We want to build confidence in them,” he said, “especially when
they hit the center of that target. If they don’t, we sit here until they do.”

The republicans are the ones who as a whole are blocking any and all gun reform, does it matter that the shooters are both left and right when the democrats are alone in realizing the need for sensible gun regulations?

The shooters political leanings are not so much the problem it is the republicans who don't care if crazies and terrorists have access to guns.

It is ALSO the republicans who have spread lies, propaganda and fear among the population so that reasonable gun reform is seen as the enemy... There may be crazy democrat nuts with guns out there too but the only party protecting the population from nutcases with guns is the democrats. ALSO, the Democrats do not object to sensible gun ownership...

It is the politicians whose policies make laws not the shooters who make laws...

And why are the republicans so eager to see that crazy right wing RACISTS are armed?

You are a pathetic joke Baldi... Your motives are transparent and disgusting.

EVERYONE has a Constitutional Right
to go to Church and to carry defensive guns,
whether Rex likes it or not. Government can only issue gun controls
by RAPING the Constitution that created that government.

Rex takes sides with the rapists.

Criminals will arm themselves no matter WHAT is the state of the law
or the law of the State, the same as thay get their marijuana and heroin.





David

We need BETTER politicians!!!!!
We need politicians who love personal liberty BETTER than the ones we 've had!!!





David

Well...apparently you are not going to run for office...so...

...where would we get them from?

Mars?

That was kind of a nice,
indirect compliment, for which I thank u, Frank.





David

No problem, David. We disagree lots on this topic...but I like ya, man!

I got pissed at my one party town government (D's)...and ran as an Independent. One of the Council members lectured me about it...and said that if I had ten friends (which he said sneeringly) I would get eleven votes.

I know how to get attention...and how to create publicity...and in the end, I got a greater percentage of the total vote than Perot did that year.

I didn't win...but I almost threw the at-large seat to the R's.

What is sensible gun regulations? I haven't seen any reasonable gun legislation anywhere. I see over reactions to issues and people getting mad that no one will accept their over reactions.

Give me a few examples of sensible gun regulations and we will see who is being pathetic.