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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 08:52 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

What is sensible gun regulations? I haven't seen any reasonable gun legislation anywhere. I see over reactions to issues and people getting mad that no one will accept their over reactions.

Give me a few examples of sensible gun regulations and we will see who is being pathetic.


If you can think of good reasons for laws regarding the driving of cars and rules of road conduct...

...and you opened your mind just a tiny smidgen...

...you'd be able to think up reasonable gun legislation without any help at all, Baldimo.

spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 09:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:


If you can think of good reasons for laws regarding the driving of cars and rules of road conduct...

...and you opened your mind just a tiny smidgen...

...you'd be able to think up reasonable gun legislation without any help at all, Baldimo.


I doubt that. Cars are only rarely used to threaten and assault people and if one was to be used that way the law would persecute such a use, just as it would if a teapot was used, irrespective of whether there existed any motoring laws.

Apisa really is quite stupid. Or he thinks we are. He just accused supporters of Snowden of denying him a fair trial and none of them would dream of doing so if that is what Snowden wanted.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 09:34 am
@Frank Apisa,
For the most part Frank I don't see an issue with our current gun laws. Others have called for the controls Frank not me, so I'm not going to create restrictions where I don't see a problem. Once again, what is a sensible restriction?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 10:03 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

For the most part Frank I don't see an issue with our current gun laws. Others have called for the controls Frank not me, so I'm not going to create restrictions where I don't see a problem. Once again, what is a sensible restriction?


I do not think people with obvious severe mental problems should be allowed to own and carry guns.

I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.

Restricting those people from owning and carrying guns are, in my opinion, sensible.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 10:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
Minors already do not have the ability to own or purchase guns, so that is a non-issue. Should we ban parents or adults from teaching children how to properly handle firearms?

We can agree that people with severe mental problems should not be allowed to own or purchase guns. Who makes the call on their mental condition though? Is it left to a single Dr. or a panel of Dr's?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 11:04 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Minors already do not have the ability to own or purchase guns, so that is a non-issue.


You asked about "sensible restrictions"...and this is one. This also happens to be one to which some gun owners take exception.

Quote:
Should we ban parents or adults from teaching children how to properly handle firearms?


I see no reason for that...although I would not want to see any relaxation of restrictions now on minors.

Quote:
We can agree that people with severe mental problems should not be allowed to own or purchase guns.


Good.

Quote:
Who makes the call on their mental condition though? Is it left to a single Dr. or a panel of Dr's?


One doctor...a panel of doctors...whatever. But that would be a sensible restriction...which is what you asked for.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 11:14 am
@Frank Apisa,
If we agree that those are sensible, then do you support the ammo restrictions on mags? Background checks for transfer of guns to family members? Extra tax on bullets or even a special license to purchase ammo?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 11:17 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

If we agree that those are sensible, then do you support the ammo restrictions on mags? Background checks for transfer of guns to family members? Extra tax on bullets or even a special license to purchase ammo?


I most certainly do not oppose any of those things.

I am not devoted in some way to the 2nd Amendment...and if it were somehow repealed from the Constitution, it would not bother me one whit.

I would not lobby for it being repealed...and I would bet huge sums at astronomical odds that it will NEVER be repealed.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 12:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Baldimo wrote:
What is sensible gun regulations?
I haven't seen any reasonable gun legislation anywhere.
I see over reactions to issues and people getting mad that no one will accept their over reactions.

Give me a few examples of sensible gun regulations and we will see who is being pathetic.
Frank Apisa wrote:

If you can think of good reasons for laws regarding the driving of cars and rules of road conduct...

...and you opened your mind just a tiny smidgen...

...you'd be able to think up reasonable gun legislation without any help at all, Baldimo.
U show flashes of intellectual brilliance, Frank.
U compel me to agree with u, e.g., qua mandatory use of seatbelts
for safe operation of cars.

In that spirit, some of the English Colonies had gun control laws
because thay were losing too many Christians on the way to Church,
or while working outdoors. Accordingly, it became a violation of law
(like seatbelts) for a Colonist to fail to carry his gun on the way to Church or to work.
The 2nd Amendment only protects the citizen from violation of his right to bear arms,
but NOT from being required to be prudent in diligently carrying his gun on his person for defensive emergencies.





David
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 12:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Good.


How dandy is that? People with "severe mental problems" are not allowed out on the streets.

What's "severe"?

We've got baby talk underway. And more to come--

Quote:
One doctor...a panel of doctors...whatever. But that would be a sensible restriction


How many doctors or panels of doctors? In the event of a doctor or a panel of doctors refusing an application and the applicant, or a third party, getting killed or maimed or robbed or raped when having a gun would likely prevent any of those then the doctor or panel of doctors would be responsible.

And they would know. If a person's mental problems are not severe enough for them to be incarcerated then what grounds are there for refusing them a gun when there are 300 million other guns in circulation.

How one gets to 77 with the level of ignorant naivete Apisa displays is a mystery to me.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 12:25 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
What is sensible gun regulations?
I haven't seen any reasonable gun legislation anywhere.
I see over reactions to issues and people getting mad that no one will accept their over reactions.

Give me a few examples of sensible gun regulations and we will see who is being pathetic.
Frank Apisa wrote:

If you can think of good reasons for laws regarding the driving of cars and rules of road conduct...

...and you opened your mind just a tiny smidgen...

...you'd be able to think up reasonable gun legislation without any help at all, Baldimo.
U show flashes of intellectual brilliance, Frank.
U compel me to agree with u, e.g., qua mandatory use of seatbelts
for safe operation of cars.

In that spirit, some of the English Colonies had gun control laws
because thay were losing too many Christians on the way to Church,
or while working outdoors. Accordingly, it became a violation of law
(like seatbelts) for a Colonist to fail to carry his gun on the way to Church or to work.
The 2nd Amendment only protects the citizen from violation of his right to bear arms,
but NOT from being required to be prudent in diligently carrying his gun on his person for defensive emergencies.





David


Thanks, David.

(I think!) Wink
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 03:49 pm
@Frank Apisa,
U r welcome! ( I suspect. )
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 05:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Baldimo wrote:

For the most part Frank I don't see an issue with our current gun laws.
Others have called for the controls Frank not me, so I'm not going to
create restrictions where I don't see a problem. Once again, what is a sensible restriction?
Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not think people with obvious severe mental problems
should be allowed to own and carry guns.
How r u going to PREVENT them from doing what u don t want????
Will u do it as successfully as u have prevented them from getting marijuana or heroin ?
Will u do it as successfully as u stopped them from having access to as much alcohol
as thay wanted, including bathtub gin??
Do u believe that kids are virgins qua beer, because it is un-lawful???
Were YOU ?


Frank Apisa wrote:
I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.
When I was that age, I 'd not have allowed
that decision -- that of my ability to defend my life -- to rest
in the hands of any other person.
If my guns had been stolen, I 'd surely re-arm as fast as I possibly coud.





Frank Apisa wrote:
Restricting those people from owning and carrying guns
are, in my opinion, sensible.
Y shud thay put up with that, Frank??
Just take their chances and "cast your fate to the winds."
No one in his right mind woud do that.

IF Frank saw 7 year old Noah Yates snatching up a gun from anywhere
while Andrea was dragging him to the lethal bathtub, Frank woud have stolen it
from him, right Frank???? because he is too young??????? [glub, glub, gurgle, gurgle!]

Frank really hates the idea of "equal protection of the laws"
if a young person is involved!!





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2014 05:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

For the most part Frank I don't see an issue with our current gun laws.
Others have called for the controls Frank not me, so I'm not going to
create restrictions where I don't see a problem. Once again, what is a sensible restriction?
Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not think people with obvious severe mental problems
should be allowed to own and carry guns.
How r u going to PREVENT them from doing what u don t want????
Will u do it as successfully as u have prevented them from getting marijuana or heroin ?
Will u do it as successfully as u stopped them from having access to as much alcohol
as thay wanted, including bathtub gin??
Do u believe that kids are virgins qua beer, because it is un-lawful???
Were YOU ?


Frank Apisa wrote:
I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.
When I was that age, I 'd not have allowed
that decision -- that of my ability to defend my life -- to rest
in the hands of any other person.
If my guns had been stolen, I 'd surely re-arm as fast as I possibly coud.





Frank Apisa wrote:
Restricting those people from owning and carrying guns
are, in my opinion, sensible.
Y shud thay put up with that, Frank??
Just take their chances and "cast your fate to the winds."
No one in his right mind woud do that.

IF Frank saw 7 year old Noah Yates snatching up a gun from anywhere
while Andrea was dragging him to the lethal bathtub, Frank woud have stolen it
from him, right Frank???? because he is too young??????? [glub, glub, gurgle, gurgle!]

Frank really hates the idea of "equal protection of the laws"
if a young person is involved!!

David


Easy David...you are going to blow a gasket.

Baldimo asked me for some sensible restrictions...and I gave him some.

If you don't agree with them...fine.

If you think they will be difficult to implement and enforce...fine.

I think they are sensible restrictions...and I recognize that they will be difficult to implement and enforce. But I do consider them sensible restrictions.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 12:29 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

For the most part Frank I don't see an issue with our current gun laws.
Others have called for the controls Frank not me, so I'm not going to
create restrictions where I don't see a problem. Once again, what is a sensible restriction?
Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not think people with obvious severe mental problems
should be allowed to own and carry guns.
How r u going to PREVENT them from doing what u don t want????
Will u do it as successfully as u have prevented them from getting marijuana or heroin ?
Will u do it as successfully as u stopped them from having access to as much alcohol
as thay wanted, including bathtub gin??
Do u believe that kids are virgins qua beer, because it is un-lawful???
Were YOU ?


Frank Apisa wrote:
I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.
When I was that age, I 'd not have allowed
that decision -- that of my ability to defend my life -- to rest
in the hands of any other person.
If my guns had been stolen, I 'd surely re-arm as fast as I possibly coud.





Frank Apisa wrote:
Restricting those people from owning and carrying guns
are, in my opinion, sensible.
Y shud thay put up with that, Frank??
Just take their chances and "cast your fate to the winds."
No one in his right mind woud do that.

IF Frank saw 7 year old Noah Yates snatching up a gun from anywhere
while Andrea was dragging him to the lethal bathtub, Frank woud have stolen it
from him, right Frank???? because he is too young??????? [glub, glub, gurgle, gurgle!]

Frank really hates the idea of "equal protection of the laws"
if a young person is involved!!

David


Easy David...you are going to blow a gasket.

Baldimo asked me for some sensible restrictions...and I gave him some.

If you don't agree with them...fine.

If you think they will be difficult to implement and enforce...fine.

I think they are sensible restrictions...and I recognize
that they will be difficult to implement and enforce. But I do consider them sensible restrictions.
I posted to expose the flaws in your reasoning.
I saw that u did not challenge my observations qua "equal protection of the laws."
The kid has 1OO% as much right to defend his life and property
as any banker or any police officer. Agreeed ????????





David
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 04:37 am

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1010407_10152149137098812_1875508728_n.jpg

List of shootings on school campuses since Newtown in Dec. 2012...

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 04:41 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:


https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1010407_10152149137098812_1875508728_n.jpg

List of shootings on school campuses since Newtown in Dec. 2012...


Please advise regarding how well armed the victims were
in their own defense and how well those schools had trained them
in defensive personal battle tactics. Did thay fight back ???





David
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 04:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I agree. Maybe more right because the kid has not had as much life as the adults.

Apisa is scared of calling for a total ban on guns and ends up flouncing around in disarray.

Mind you don't blow a gasket Dave. Only Apisa is safe from that.

RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 08:01 am
@spendius,
If guns were more of a "privilege" than a "right", people might treat them with more reverence.

Why is it only a "privilege" to drive a motor vehicle and children are prohibited from driving a motor vehicle but instead parents give children guns as if it is a "right" of theirs to go out and kill people.

You can't drive a car but you can go shoot up your school if you want...

Isn't there a prioritizing error of the value judgment of things here?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Jan, 2014 08:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

For the most part Frank I don't see an issue with our current gun laws.
Others have called for the controls Frank not me, so I'm not going to
create restrictions where I don't see a problem. Once again, what is a sensible restriction?
Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not think people with obvious severe mental problems
should be allowed to own and carry guns.
How r u going to PREVENT them from doing what u don t want????
Will u do it as successfully as u have prevented them from getting marijuana or heroin ?
Will u do it as successfully as u stopped them from having access to as much alcohol
as thay wanted, including bathtub gin??
Do u believe that kids are virgins qua beer, because it is un-lawful???
Were YOU ?


Frank Apisa wrote:
I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.
When I was that age, I 'd not have allowed
that decision -- that of my ability to defend my life -- to rest
in the hands of any other person.
If my guns had been stolen, I 'd surely re-arm as fast as I possibly coud.





Frank Apisa wrote:
Restricting those people from owning and carrying guns
are, in my opinion, sensible.
Y shud thay put up with that, Frank??
Just take their chances and "cast your fate to the winds."
No one in his right mind woud do that.

IF Frank saw 7 year old Noah Yates snatching up a gun from anywhere
while Andrea was dragging him to the lethal bathtub, Frank woud have stolen it
from him, right Frank???? because he is too young??????? [glub, glub, gurgle, gurgle!]

Frank really hates the idea of "equal protection of the laws"
if a young person is involved!!

David


Easy David...you are going to blow a gasket.

Baldimo asked me for some sensible restrictions...and I gave him some.

If you don't agree with them...fine.

If you think they will be difficult to implement and enforce...fine.

I think they are sensible restrictions...and I recognize
that they will be difficult to implement and enforce. But I do consider them sensible restrictions.
I posted to expose the flaws in your reasoning.
I saw that u did not challenge my observations qua "equal protection of the laws."
The kid has 1OO% as much right to defend his life and property
as any banker or any police officer. Agreeed ????????
David


Right!

I did not challenge your notion that elementary school kids should be allowed to carry guns to school.

There is a bridge too far...even for me.

 

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