Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

WHATAYAMEAN??????
U are the one who suggested distributing RPGs.
Thay are only for use as anti-tank weapons. WHO is "ignorant"?????
I wud not distribute RPGs even if thay were in their 3Os; awkward n clumsy weapons.

Handguns are apt, neat & adroit for defensive personal use.





David

Please explain WHAT HARM firearms r "causing the innocent" ??????
The innocent are harmed by being un-armed. That is an un-safe condition.




U are faking authority.
Government has NO AUTHORITY to rob people of their guns.
U are joining in a hoax, Rex. U support discrimination -- un-Constitutional discrimination.




Rex, it makes no sense to accuse anyone
of being "ignorant" unless u indicate OF WHAT he is "ignorant".
If u found an erudite scholar with 7 doctorates who won 5 Nobel Prizes,
he 'd STILL be ignorant. It 'd be fast and easy to find many questions
whose answers he did not know; such is the human condition.
The way that YOU express it u make it sound like a surprize
that someone is ignorant.

Ignorant yes, I just call a spade a spade...

Here are some examples of your ignorance:
David Wrote:
Please explain WHAT HARM firearms r "causing the innocent" ??????
The innocent are harmed by being un-armed. That is an un-safe condition.

Comment:
Let's say you have a 3 year old toddler in your home.

Well, you need access to knives and guns and they need to be handy at your fingertips no matter where you move around the house. A robber could try and break in at any moment! Well that is bad news for the baby who would impale themselves the first time they encountered one. But there needs to be unfettered access to knives and guns! You have YOUR right to bear arms!

So you just put the baby in a rubber suit and then everyone can have access to their weapons without worrying the baby will accidentally shoot someone. Sucks to be the baby but at least the baby is not stepping on YOUR second amendment rights! That is okay the baby can't move very well in the Kevlar vest, helmet and gloves but YOU are safe.

When the baby is upstairs you put the baby in the plastic suit so if they get near the stairs they will just bounce down them. They may break a few fingers and toes but at least they are not 'restricted' or "regulated" by a simple wood and plastic gate blocking off the stairwell! You may need to access that stairwell fast if a robber comes knocking!

As for the ammonia, bleach and toilet bowl cleaner... You can just leave them lying around too. The baby should not restrict your access to these, they could also be used to deter a robber and they must be handy at ALL times! Chemical warfare is also a form of self protection and protected by the 2 amendment! Have tons of pepper spray and keep it a handy always within reach no matter where you go in the house! Got to keep those second amendment right alive and well at ALL COST! The standard of living is set by YOUR "second" amendment!

So instead of putting the dangerous chemicals up high out of the baby's reach you just put a cork in the baby's mouth and put the child in a hazmat suit!

Then your access to chemical warfare is not deterred by a pesky little child that can't even shoot a piece or aim straight!

Every home should be equipped with several cannons too in case the neighbors or robbers have an arsenal of their own. They should be aimed at the neighbors house in all directions and your cellar should be full of cannon balls in case there is an all out war! These should be standard fixtures in every home! That occasional car backfiring as it rides by could accidentally set off an attack but that is the price we pay to protect our second amendment rights huh?

When you are alone at night watching TV it may get a bit hot and all because those Kevlar vests don't allow your perspiration to escape the fabric very well. And it is pretty hard to see out of the goggles of the gas mask and see the TV but at least you are safe from robbers! And you must also sleep with the Kevlar vest so you are not shot in your bed while you sleep and keep that gun right by your side with your finger on the trigger at ALL times! Nothing should regulate your right to bear arms!

As for cutting knives and hunting knives in the kitchen they are not placed away up high so the baby can't reach them, no... that would impede your second amendment right to bear arms! They are just left in strategic places strewn all over the house for YOUR quick access!

Children are the victims of your constitutional rights and you seem just fine with that David. In fact, you never even give it a second thought as long and you are protected from those pesky robbers that are at your door constantly looking for a way in! You don't even acknowledge the victimization of your push for arming every person to the hilt! NO RESTRICTIONS OR REGULATIONS! You are oblivious and that equals ignorant!

Taking a shower is kinda tricky you need your most trusted confidant to stand guard outside the door and bars are on the windows and the Kevlar blinds protect you from snipers. And then and only then are you allowed to remover the Kevlar vest, the bullet proof helmet, gloves, shoes, the hazmat suit and the gas mask!

Or we could regulate things a bit...

Regulate or be ignorant...

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Leisure wear for around the house! That will if nothing scare the robbers away! Might as well go all out! NOTHING should restrict or regulate your right to bear arms!

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May scare the grand children at first but they'll get used to it over time... (cynical)

So do I, thats why I was a navy corpsman. I worked as a combat medic with the marines. My job was to save lives, but I still carried a sidearm to defend myself.

Thats why now I work as a volunteer firefighter and an EMT.
Just because someone carries a gun does not mean they cant be healers also.

A zebra has MORE than one stripe.

If he had only 1 stripe,
wud he be a skunk ?

I highly respect your service MM, I do look up to you for that reason.

I am not against guns but I think they need to be carried by the right persons. In an idealistic world we wouldn't need guns but that is not the reality of the world we live in.

I also think people who carry guns need to self regulate them and somehow demonstrate that they do self regulate them. And I have issues with giving any and all teens access to guns.

When in a battle field situation it would be foolish even as a medic to not have a way of protecting yourself. I have also heard of medics who have been honored with medals because of their use of guns to hold off the enemy.

There is reasonable use of guns and then there is reckless use of guns. A person should not be criticized with partisan politics because they object to the reckless proliferation of guns. And the NRA pushing unfettered gun sales I think this is criminal. I don't want to see our society militarized.

In fact, I would like to seem some of the militarization of our society highly restricted. Guns should in the hands of those whose job it is to protect people and not in the hands of those who would do harm to others and/or themselves.

We can start by banning all weapons given to children and then examine the general populace for persons at risk and unregulated militias. And from there the private ownership of guns I have no problem with. We will never completely be able to eradicate gun violence but we can put a huge dent in it. There is a healthy balance and right now due to gun lobbies and the glamorization of guns by the right, the balance has been thrown way off kilter.

This constant random gun violence and the senseless human toll surely is not what was meant by the second amendment.

Rex, let 's back up a little.
I 'm not mad at u for saying that I 'm "ignorant"; I don t mind,
altho I already know that there are many things that I don t know.

I was trying to make the point before that EVERYONE is ignorant
because that word only means not informed or un-informed.
Its not a dirty word, like robbery, rape or murder.
The only way for anyone to AVOID being ignorant,
is for him to KNOW EVERYTHING in the Universe.
No human being has ever achieved that state of knowledge.

Its the same as if I said to u:
"Rex, there is something that u do not know."
It wud be natural for u to ask me what it IS
and then I 'd tell u what I had in mind.

In your post, u use "ignorant" as if it were a dirty word, or a bad name,
but its not.


Wud anyone obay those regulations, Rex??
To your knowledge, does anyone who WANTS to get marijuana,
obay the anti-marijuana regulations?? How about kids who want beer??
Have u known any kids to tell u: "Hay, u know Rex, I 'd really love to get
some cold beer, but its against the law, so I 'm just going to wait
until I 'm 18 or 21 to get it" ???
I don t know anyone who WANTS those products and who justs decides
to obay the law against them. How about U ???




With all respect and affection,
controlling someone else 's behavior
will have no effect upon your own bank of knowledge.
He who wishes to avoid ignorance shud buy a book,
not try to control someone else; that will not work.

I 'll get back to the rest of your post, later.
I 'm going out for lunch.





David

I think military people who have seen combat and return to civilian life should be barred from owning weapons for a probationary period until their mental state can be evaluated. There are too many soldiers offing themselves and I say this because I really care and not to be mean or insulting...

The guns stores will gladly sell them a gun too, compliments of the NRA...

As a Brit, American gun laws are none of my business, but I know the right to bear arms is part of the Constitution, so surely it follows that anybody who opposes guns is unpatriotic, unconstitutional and a possible commie?

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."- (President John Adams (1735-1826)

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."- US Statesman Richard Henry Lee (1732-1794)

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution"- Thomas Jefferson

"The right of self defense is the first law of nature"- US judge St. George Tucker (1752-1827)

"..the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed......The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated"- US Constitution

“A free people ought to be armed......Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American peoples liberty teeth....The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.” ― George Washington

Minute Man statue

RexRed wrote:
Or we could regulate things a bit...

David wrote
Wud anyone obay those regulations, Rex??

Comment:
Occasionally in a football game a player will step out of bounds and the umpire will not see it. Does this mean David we should get rid of the boundary lines?

Does this mean the player can count on the umpire not seeing them step out of bounds the next time?

The arms they spoke of back then are certainly not the same arms we have today...

As arms have evolved and so must the laws that govern them ...

Yes maybe the Govt could blanket-ban all of todays automatic weapons, who needs one anyway?
As for ordinary guns, nobody wants psychos to have guns, so maybe this quote could justifiably be used by the Govt to take guns off anybody who's NOT "peaceable"-
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)

Problem there is that how do we define "peaceable"? For example if somebody runs up a few jaywalking offences, could he be deemed non-peacable and have his guns confiscated?

By WHAT authority, Rex??
Where did u or government get authority
to interfere like that?????? If a citizen knew
that u were going to rape him out of his freedom to end his life,
then shud he REFUSE to see combat???




Who is the judge
of the correct number??? Is it YOU??
How did u get appointed to that judicial position??



U just wanna steal political power.



Yes; even BEFORE the NRA existed, thay sold guns in gun stores.





David

That is a non-sequitur. It does not follow.

The same rights of freedom of speech
apply to use of High Def TV and electric printing presses.




David

YES. Authority for those rules was and is a hoax.
Any such alleged authority was STOLEN, USURPED.

I disagree David, the ones who have usurped authority are those few corporate manufacturers proliferating guns regardless of the innate rules of ethics and the grand cost to society.

Eventually society will see them for what they are and drive them out of town. Just as Mexico has had to drive them out of their country. It is a shame what American manufacturers and their filthy guns have done to Mexico our beautiful neighbor. I tend to think Hollywood movies are partly to blame also.

It may take a crisis but the truth will come out and the manufacturer's implements of death will be revealed for what the are. They are murder weapons, not toys.

Once we regulate guns out of the hand of crazies maybe Mexico will oblige us and sell our crazies back the guns as we did for decades even centuries to them.

And I see you think football should not have boundaries lines. Perhaps they should do away with the field goal post too! Cuz "no one obeys the rules". Your supposition is again, IGNORANT... Because 90% of the people DO obey the laws.

Those who don't obey the laws, there is a cozy one room cell waiting for them behind bars. They may get away with their deception a few times but eventually they will have to pay the piper.

The person and guns stores who sell an unstable person a gun should also be held accountable. You would then see more guns melted down and made into lawn furniture.

Just think, if the world banned guns entirely there would be far fewer wars... Then instead of gun fanatics fixating on their guns incessantly for hours and days on end they might get up, go out and do something good for the world.

THAT shud be a very interesting discussion, Rex.
Please proceed to state the historical basis for your knowledge
of this usurpation to which u have referred. When did it happen?
Where did it happen?? Will u name which corporate mfgr. was first
to usurp and HOW it accomplished that usurpation?????

I remain very, very intrigued by your thoughts in this matter.

Please inform us, with as much specificity as possible. Thank u.





David

I also highly respect and look up to most on the police force. It is too bad the American people did not do the same. They are all grateful when the police come and save them from a harrowing dispute but when it comes to returning the favor they would rather see criminals with guns? Since when do criminals and petty thieves qualify for the second amendment? Since when by any stretch of the imagination are thugs and drug crazed gang member a well regulated militia? Yet this is the world we send our valiant and brave police officers into... This is not only the fault of society it is the fault of gun manufacturers, Walmart and "True Value" hardware stores who sell these guns just to make a fast buck...