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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 28 Dec, 2013 11:40 pm
@RexRed,
Uh, excuse me, Rex.
U are getting away from the subject (of my last post).
I want to hold u to account for what u said in your post, to wit:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I disagree David,
the ones who have usurped authority
are those few corporate manufacturers proliferating guns
regardless of the innate rules of ethics and the grand cost to society.
THAT shud be a very interesting discussion, Rex.
Please proceed to state the historical basis for your knowledge
of this usurpation to which u have referred. When did it happen?
Where did it happen?? Will u name which corporate mfgr. was first
to usurp and HOW it accomplished that usurpation?????

I remain very, very intrigued by your thoughts in this matter.

Please inform us, with as much specificity as possible. Thank u.





David
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 28 Dec, 2013 11:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
How about the genocide of millions of Mesoamericans due to Spanish Conquistadors? The raiding, rape and pillaging of the indigenous cultures of our continent at the barrel of a gun? Are genocides and ethnic cleansing only pertinent when Jews are involved???
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 28 Dec, 2013 11:54 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
How about the genocide of millions of Mesoamericans due to Spanish Conquistadors? The raiding, rape and pillaging of the indigenous cultures of our continent at the barrel of a gun? Are genocides and ethnic cleansing only pertinent when Jews are involved???
You are AVOIDING the issue, Rex.

THIS is the issue:


RexRed wrote:
I disagree David,
the ones who have usurped authority
are those few corporate manufacturers proliferating guns
regardless of the innate rules of ethics and the grand cost to society.
THAT shud be a very interesting discussion, Rex.
Please proceed to state the historical basis for your knowledge
of this usurpation to which u have referred. When did it happen?
Where did it happen?? Will u name which corporate mfgr. was first
to usurp and HOW it accomplished that usurpation?????

I remain very, very intrigued by your thoughts in this matter.

Please inform us, with as much specificity as possible. Thank u.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 12:22 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I would say the guns first manufacturers were in Europe at the beginning of the industrial age and the invention of the assembly line that began to manufacture guns on a mass scale..

They took up the gauntlet from the barbaric, blood thirsty, pro-massacring sword manufacturers.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 12:37 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

I would say the guns first manufacturers were in Europe
at the beginning of the industrial age and the invention
of the assembly line that began to manufacture guns on a mass scale..
U disagreed with me
about USURPATION of authority.
I complained of governmental usurpation of authority
to inflict gun control upon the citizens, in violation of the Bill of Rights;
U denied that, alleging that manufacturers had usurped authority.

Please historically JUSTIFY what u claimed,
answering the questions that I posed to u, and u have ignored.





RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 03:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Thomas Jefferson who transmitted this "American system of manufactures" -- precision machine-tooling of musket parts for interchangeability...

Shall we blame Sheffield Steel for making the tempered steel used in guns? Shall we blame the American Revolution for arming our citizens? The Illuminati, Masons, secret societies, bankers, Smith and Wesson, the US Government, the assembly line, American workers, Hitler, Donald Duck?

Was it the second amendment that armed our citizens singlehandedly?

It seems you are looking for one magic bullet to cast the blame upon.

Many factors came together to create the weapons of today including ESPECIALLY the propaganda of the NRA and the corporate greed of gun manufactures and the gullibility of gun freaks, bought off sold out republicans and teapartiers and movie stars like Charlton Heston who glamorized guns for mass consumerism for every day suicides and school shootings...

Over all it is a red line of carnage and evil deeds, fear mongering and gullible idiots who pass the fear on like a plague to the next unsuspecting generation.

Your question is almost comical, like, can I name that tune in three notes?

Can you possibly be any more vague? David, rather than asking an impossibly vague question three time just spit it out man..?

You have something on your mind let's hear it... I am not a mind reader and besides whatever you have is probably as far fetched as the image of Jesus burnt into a piece of breakfast toast.

While you are at it you might learn something from this...

James Burke "Connections" The Wheel Of Fortune


It took me a couple hours to find this particular episode.
Please watch the whole thing before commenting on exactly "Who Done It".... Smile

It was a series of scientific advancements that led up to the vile and ugly head of the NRA of today, corporate capitalistic greed and their lobbies centered around mass consumer gun proliferation.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 05:57 am
@RexRed,
Thank u for the video, Rex.
I enjoyed it and I learned from it.

RexRed wrote:
Thomas Jefferson who transmitted this "American system of manufactures" --
precision machine-tooling of musket parts for interchangeability...

Shall we blame Sheffield Steel for making the tempered steel
used in guns? Shall we blame the American Revolution
for arming our citizens?
NO.
1. Its a praiseworthy condition, not blame, Rex.
2. American citizens were already well armed before Sheffield
and well armed before the American Revolution.
Remember, there were NO police in the USA until the 18OOs.
Everyone was expected to take care of himself;
he had to be armed well enuf to DO it.
The guys in the naborhood organized private militia groups,
called "well regulated militia" as distinct from government militia,
called "selected militia".
Thay fought Indians, plundering bears, wolves and criminals.




RexRed wrote:
The Illuminati, Masons, secret societies, bankers, Smith and Wesson,
the US Government, the assembly line, American workers, Hitler, Donald Duck?
The bankers and the Duck ?



RexRed wrote:
Was it the second amendment that armed our citizens singlehandedly?
NO. Because the citizens were already armed to the teeth,
having just defeated the English, thay cud have the Bill of Rights
enacted, including the 2nd Amendment, not the other way around.




RexRed wrote:
It seems you are looking for one magic bullet to cast the blame upon.
WHATAYAMEAN: "blame"????
The citizenry being well-armed is cause for joyful congratulation
and celebration of enraptured thrills of ineffable ecstasy!
That means the triumph of Individualism,
with the citizens controlling government, not the other way around.




RexRed wrote:
Many factors came together to create the weapons of today
including ESPECIALLY the propaganda of the NRA
OK, Rex: please, please receive my supplication:
WONDERFUL "weapons of today" include the M-134 Minigun!
I appeal to u: PLEASE tell me how "propaganda of the NRA" contributed
to the manufacture of the beloved M-134???
Exactly WHAT "propaganda" was asserted by NRA in this regard??
WHAT did NRA claim about the M-134??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG3Hi7K9MU4
I watched your video for 48 minutes; this is only 2:16; that 's fair.




RexRed wrote:
and the corporate greed of gun manufactures
U expected them to betray
their stockholders and give away their mdse for free????


RexRed wrote:
and the gullibility of gun freaks,
I have a gun collection.
How was I gullibile??
What was I convinced to believe in error???????
WHO convinced me (according to u)???



RexRed wrote:
bought off sold out republicans
I 'm a Republican.
What was I paid to sell out, according to u????
Did I get something that I did not have before??????



RexRed wrote:
and teapartiers
Thay are very new on the scene; only a few years.
How did thay help to arm the citizens??
Thay certainly helped to fight against the deceptions
of the authoritarians and defeated obama last April in the Senate,
but we are discussing old American history of citizen armament.
Maybe u meant the original members of the Boston Tea Party??




RexRed wrote:
and movie stars like Charlton Heston
who glamorized guns for mass consumerism
Yes, he helped us to fight back against political correctness
and against filthy liberal perversion.


RexRed wrote:
for every day suicides and school shootings...
U wrote a lot of confusion there.
Anyone and everyone HAS the right to end his human life
at any time of his choosing, whether government likes it or not.





RexRed wrote:
Over all it is a red line of carnage and evil deeds,
Yea, I love it when victims kill the criminal predators, like Zimmy did.



RexRed wrote:
fear mongering and gullible idiots who pass the fear on like a plague to the next unsuspecting generation.

Your question is almost comical, like, can I name that tune in three notes?

Can you possibly be any more vague?
David, rather than asking an impossibly vague question
three time just spit it out man..?
There is NOTHING "vague" about what I said, Rex.
It is plain! I said that government had stolen authority, usurped
authority, to inflict gun control upon the citizens
and U denied it, alleging that private businessmen had done it.
Accordingly, I asked u for historical justification of when, where
and HOW (according to U), that usurpation had happened.
U still have NOT provided that information.
U cannot because what u said was historically FALSE.




RexRed wrote:
You have something on your mind let's hear it...
I am not a mind reader and besides whatever you have is probably
as far fetched as the image of Jesus burnt into a piece of breakfast toast.

While you are at it you might learn something from this...

James Burke "Connections" The Wheel Of Fortune
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mhQHjWEZc[/youtube]

It took me a couple hours to find this particular episode.
Please watch the whole thing before commenting on exactly "Who Done It".... Smile

It was a series of scientific advancements that led up to the vile
and ugly head of the NRA of today, corporate capitalistic greed
and their lobbies centered around mass consumer gun proliferation.
I stand with them: the freedom-lovers
and against the authoritarian liberals.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 06:13 am
I watchd all 48 minutes of your video and go noting intrinsically of value from it.

In fact it found it tasteless and grotesque.

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

I ask myself, would Jesus find all 48 minutes of that video of any value?

Authoritarian liberals? You don't call a crazy person furnished with a republican gun shooting up a school authoritarian??

RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 06:23 am
There is NOTHING "vague" about what I said, Rex.
It is plain! I said that government had stolen authority, usurped
authority, to inflict gun control upon the citizens
and U denied it, alleging that private businessmen had done it.
Accordingly, I asked u for historical justification of when, where
and HOW (according to U), that usurpation had happened.
U still have NOT provided that information.
U cannot because what u said was historically FALSE.

What kind of fear do Americans have to live with due to the proliferation of guns to every crazy who can lay cash down on a table?

It is the greed and selfish proliferation of the republican gun lobbies that have forced the regulation upon themselves.

Do you think we "liberals" are just going to stand around while the republicans promote total anarchy? I think not!

You have to RESPECT my first amendment rights before I RESPECT your second amendment rights...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And how do we peaceably assemble when the republican crazies are roving the country side proliferating their guns unrestricted to ever crazy with a cause?

It is the republicans who are ruining the second amendment for law abiding gun owners with their no holes barred gun proliferation!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 06:33 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
I watchd all 48 minutes of your video
and go noting intrinsically of value from it.
How is that POSSIBLE???
MY video only lasted 2:16,
so how cud u watch it for 48 minutes???????
I posted that only about maybe half an hour ago,
so how cud u watch anything for 48 minutes since then???

RexRed wrote:
In fact it found it tasteless and grotesque.
It was intended to show the M-134 Minigun.
U were supposed to justify your position
by indicating WHAT propaganda of NRA
contributed to the manufacture of the M-134???? U have not done so,
yet u claim that the weapons of today came from NRA propaganda.


Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

RexRed wrote:
I ask myself, would Jesus find all 48 minutes of that video of any value?
WHAT did u watch for 48 minutes????
My video lasts 2 minutes and 16 seconds!!!!! Please explain.

RexRed wrote:
Authoritarian liberals?
Yes.


RexRed wrote:
You don't call a crazy person furnished with a republican gun
shooting up a school authoritarian??
There are no such things as republican guns.
The murderer got his own gun; we did not give him one.
In describing the murderer 's conduct,
"authoritarian" is not among the first few words that come to mind.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 07:05 am
@RexRed,
DAVID wrote:
There is NOTHING "vague" about what I said, Rex.
It is plain! I said that government had stolen authority, usurped
authority, to inflict gun control upon the citizens
and U denied it, alleging that private businessmen had done it.
Accordingly, I asked u for historical justification of when, where
and HOW (according to U), that usurpation had happened.
U still have NOT provided that information.
U cannot because what u said was historically FALSE.
RexRed wrote:
What kind of fear do Americans have to live with
due to the proliferation of guns to every crazy
who can lay cash down on a table?
NO "fear"; my own fear ended at age 8,
when I armed myself with a .38 revolver.
Note that the "crazy" whom u mention can also MAKE
his own gun, as was done by hand centuries before the advent
of electric tools and blueprints. Its easy to become a gunsmith.





RexRed wrote:
It is the greed and selfish proliferation of the republican gun lobbies
that have forced the regulation upon themselves.
Well, we fight the evil liberals.
Note that I support greed and selfishness!!!






RexRed wrote:
Do you think we "liberals" are just going to stand around
while the republicans promote total anarchy? I think not!
Really??? WHAT will u DO???






RexRed wrote:
You have to RESPECT my first amendment rights
before I RESPECT your second amendment rights...
U are welcome to speak freely.
I never told u to shut up.




RexRed wrote:
And how do we peaceably assemble when the republican crazies are roving
the country side proliferating their guns unrestricted
to ever crazy with a cause?
The same way that u did in the first third of the 1900s,
or the same way that u do it now in Vermont
where there are no anti-gun laws, or in Alaska,
Arizona, Wyoming, Louisiana, Arkansas
that have very little or no anti-gun laws, with no ill effects.





David
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 10:43 am
David Wrote:

Note that I support greed and selfishness!!!

Comment:
If you support greed and selfishness I am not surprised and I think it is time for me to find 'better' company to chat with.

Consider your greedy and selfish ass on ignore.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 11:09 am
Guns have been great peace bringers throughout history, they defeated Geronimo, Crazy Horse, the Zulus, Nazis, Japs, North Koreans, Saddam, Bin Laden, Jack Wilson..

RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 02:41 am
Two killed, five wounded in three shootings in St. Louis
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/29/22100072-two-killed-five-wounded-in-three-shootings-in-st-louis?lite
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 09:04 am
@RexRed,
Gotta love the use of self-defense in the home:

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/76-year-old-homeowner-shoots-37-year-old-burglar-after-police-fail-to-locate-suspect-on-property/
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 11:39 am
Shane gives some useful tips on how to use your gun-

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 12:07 pm
@RexRed,
Quote:
Consider your greedy and selfish ass on ignore.


It's only a pose Rex. He likes saying outrageous things. It's a method of being noticed when there are no other reasons to justify anybody doing so.
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 03:10 pm
@spendius,
I didn't really put David on ignore but I need a break from the constant round and round, it is not edifying me and I have other things on my mind.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 04:33 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Shane gives some useful tips on how to use your gun-

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ternps0JFwo&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]
I enjoyed your video, Romeo. Thanx for it.
I have assisted in teaching youth proficiency in gunnery at gunnery ranges.
Thay love it. I did, at that age; at all ages.

A few years ago, my ex-girlfriend had me teach her son
who was about to get fired from his job as a probationary NY Probation Officer
because he cud not shoot straight. He is still on the job.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 05:09 pm
@Baldimo,
Yes, its true, but like the US 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said
in Moore v. Madigan the place where you have a right to defend yourself
is the place where you are attacked.

Your life depends on fighting back effectively
inside or outside the home
.
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