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So, do you come to praise Margaret Thatcher or bury her?

 
 
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 10:43 am
@hingehead,
I'm only looking into this thread to see if there will be any free food at this online wake. So? Is the bar open or do we have to pay for our own drinks?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 11:06 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
If anything, I hope the British people use her death as a reason to reflect on the dangers of far right mentality.


David Cameron has picked up Thatcher's baton with gusto. Hopefully when people consider the bad old days they might remember why Blair was elected on a landslide in 1997.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 01:38 pm
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/3f/83f0190a-a07a-11e2-9c96-001a4bcf887a/51630d7780d87.preview-620.jpg
roger
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 01:47 pm
Did anyone think to ask the question in The Falklands?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 03:51 pm
@hingehead,
YES!

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 04:22 pm
@tsarstepan,
Of course you have to pay for your own drinks, you reprobate, you. And show two proofs of residency. Food? Well, there will be some leftovers after the services.

Just wait by the dumpsters. Please form a line.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 04:34 pm
@mesquite,
Thatcher did not support Universal Health Care, she tolerated it. She did considerable damage to the NHS.
fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 05:05 pm
They say she's privatising the furnaces in hell.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 05:07 pm
@fbaezer,
Entry fees?
fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 05:08 pm
@ossobuco,
Profits must be made, nevertheless!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 05:09 pm
@izzythepush,
Perhaps it's too easy for the British to forget how seedy and 2nd rate London had become in the late 1970s after three decades of socialism. The economic engine that supported the country was winding down as a result of the widespread sclerosis that resulted from prolongued government monopoly operations and a long-term lack of competition and innovation.

The coal mines, which were the scenes of the worst parts of Thatcher's disputes with labor unions, produced a fuel (brown coal) that was notable for its very low heat content, high sulfur and large contributions to lung disease. The operations were heavily subsidized by labor governments, but no longer even economically viable. Thatcher ended the subsidies; defeated the union and let the system die on its own. She did the UK a great service in doing so.

I see the still hostile reactions to her after her death as evidence of how quickly people become dependent on handouts from someone else, and how angry they remain after they are reduced or withdrawn - never mind the fact that the price of sustaining them would likely have been catastrophe for everyone. . The truth, in my opinion, is that the UK is still better off for her 11 years of service as PM.
fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 05:14 pm
@georgeob1,
Stumping on unions' excesses was something that had to be made, I concede.
The one thing Thatcher was helpful for was to make the Labour party see inside and notice it was hostage to unions and needed a "third way".
Thatcher's style was excessive in itself.

Besides, most of the economic success attributed to her came later, with Blair at 10 Downing St.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 05:40 pm
@fbaezer,
Well, as in flying an aircraft, pulling out of a dive requires slightly different techniques from those required to sustain a climb. Moreover the response of economies to changes in public policies is hardly instantaneous. Creativity, competition and innovation take some time to work their wonders. Thatcher created the changes that were an indispensible precursor to the growth that followed.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 07:18 pm
@georgeob1,
And the economic catastrophe they are now in too?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2013 08:30 pm
@hingehead,
Details, details. Perhaps you don't remember the Americans worship Saint Reagan. Well perhaps not so much anymore. Today Mitch McConnell blamed Nixonian tactics for recent bad press. Holy Crap, I never thought I would live long enough to see the Republicans use Nixon as an example of despicable behaviour.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 10 Apr, 2013 12:17 am
An unusually thoughtful piece from Russell Brand

Remembering Margaret Thatcher, Britain's Unmaternal National Matriarch
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Apr, 2013 03:15 am
@georgeob1,
Now that I read your comments, George...

...I realize that I just want to see her buried and done with.

I only hope that conservatism of the sort she championed (and you still champion) eventually ends up buried also.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 10 Apr, 2013 03:35 am
@fbaezer,
fbaezer wrote:

They say she's privatising the furnaces in hell.


She's only been there a couple of days and she's already closed them down.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 10 Apr, 2013 03:47 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Australia's Foreign Minister Bob Carr has described comments made by Baroness Thatcher as "unabashedly racist".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22087702
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Apr, 2013 08:36 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

And the economic catastrophe they are now in too?


She left office more than twenty years ago. What is your concept of the time lapse involved here?

The "catastrophe" going on in the UK now is also being experienced (though in more advanced form) in all the major nations of the EU, save only Germany. France, Spain & Italy had no Thatcher and yet they are now experiencing an economic sclerosis far worse than that in Britain. What's your explanation for that?

Apparently it's easier to hate than to think.
 

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