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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

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InfraBlue
 
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Tue 29 Sep, 2015 08:34 pm
@neologist,
You assume too much. These issues you raise don't address the issue of God's responsibility for Job's tribulations.
FBM
 
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Tue 29 Sep, 2015 08:39 pm
How can we be sure that all irreligions are wrong?
InfraBlue
 
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Tue 29 Sep, 2015 09:55 pm
@FBM,
It's a feeling one gets.
FBM
 
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Tue 29 Sep, 2015 09:57 pm
@InfraBlue,
A mundane revelation, maybe?
InfraBlue
 
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Tue 29 Sep, 2015 10:09 pm
@FBM,
What is a feeling anyway?
neologist
 
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Tue 29 Sep, 2015 11:46 pm
@InfraBlue,
If you have a nice car and somebody steals it, who bears the guilt?
It was not God's intention to test Job.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 01:25 am
@neologist,
Of course it was. Her knew full well when he pointed his finger at Job what would happen, like when he told Eve, a woman, she could eat any fruit save one.

If it wasn't God's intention he was as thick as ****.

Trying to say God isn't responsible is like saying Iago isn't responsible for the death of Desdemona.
FBM
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 03:02 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

What is a feeling anyway?


If we follow down that path, we'll be trying to figure out what the mind is next. Shocked
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 09:20 am
@FBM,
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InfraBlue wrote:
"What is a feeling anyway?"


If we follow down that path, we'll be trying to figure out what the mind is next. Shocked

Why not? Science believes the mind is a deterministic mechanism and free will is an illusion. Like a computer, it will respond to the current set of inputs in a predetermined way based on prior programming. A feeling is just the current response to the levels of serotonin, dopamine and endorphins acting on receptors. The 'pursuit of happiness' is only our efforts to maximize those levels.
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neologist
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 09:57 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Of course it was. Her knew full well when he pointed his finger at Job what would happen . . .
So, you're saying it was God's idea?
Interesting . . .
izzythepush wrote:
like when he told Eve, a woman, she could eat any fruit save one.

If it wasn't God's intention he was as thick as ****. . .
Don't like the idea of free will, eh?

BTW, not all folks realize this, but had Adam not joined Eve, Satan's plan would have failed.
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That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin . . . (Romans 5:12)
InfraBlue
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 10:08 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

If you have a nice car and somebody steals it, who bears the guilt?

What does that have to do with God's test of Job?

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It was not God's intention to test Job.

Right, the Devil made him do it. He bent God's arm until he cried uncle.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 12:35 pm
@neologist,
It's got nothing to do with free will, it's about manipulation. Point something out, then say you can't have it. If you do it to a kid you're being cruel, instead you put things like that out of reach.

If you told a bunch of three year olds not to put marbles up their noses, and they all end up with marbles up their nose, the only one showing any free will is you.

Eve wasn't even three years old!
izzythepush
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 12:37 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
So, you're saying it was God's idea?


No he just painted a big target on Job's back with absolutely no ******* idea.
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Leadfoot
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 01:43 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It's got nothing to do with free will, it's about manipulation.

I think it was more like making good on a claim. If at a racetrack a guy says to me "My car is faster than yours" and I say "Nope, your car doesn't stand a chance", I am more or less obligated to accept the challenge if he offers to race. Its a matter of my credibility, not manipulation.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 01:51 pm
@Leadfoot,
So God's like a guy at the racetrack who needs to prove a point. You know what fast cars are often a substitute for?
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 01:56 pm
@izzythepush,
Prove a point? - Yes, absolutely.

But they were comparing principles, not penises.

Analogies are bound to break down at some point.
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neologist
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 02:29 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Eve wasn't even three years old!
Eve was created during the sixth creative day. The temptation occurred in day seven. There were more than just a few 24 hour days involved, since the seventh day has not been noted as having ended.
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neologist
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 02:38 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Right, the Devil made him do it. He bent God's arm until he cried uncle.
Are you saying Job and his family will never receive justice for the pain Satan inflicted? Job did not think as much.
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14 If a man dies, can he live again?
I will wait all the days of my compulsory service
Until my relief comes.
15 You will call, and I will answer you.
You will long for the work of your hands. (Job 14:13,14)
ehBeth
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 02:40 pm
Anyone got a one-liner on how this thread got from its title to a seeming assumption that Christianity is the religion to assess/consider?
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 30 Sep, 2015 02:50 pm
@ehBeth,
Hey, it's just click bait for the same old atheist/theist debate.
 

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