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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

 
 
fresco
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 09:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
No. You are partially honest about your own ignorance, but have no grounds to extrapolate to others. And as you well know, the accusation of dishonesty is likely to be an excuse for your own indolence. You may BELIEVE others are being dishonest but you shot yourself in the foot when you made the ridiculous claim that "you don't do beliefs".
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 09:09 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

No. You are partially honest about your own ignorance, but have no grounds to extrapolate to others.


I am not partially honest about my own ignorance...I am entirely truthful. And you MAY NEVER be able to master that, Fresco.



Quote:
And as you well know, the accusation of dishonesty is likely to be an excuse for your own indolence.


You certainly are free to think that…but I can assure you that I am not indolent…so there is no need for an excuse on that account.


Quote:

You may BELIEVE others are being dishonest but you shot yourself in the foot when you made the ridiculous claim that "you don't do beliefs".




I do NOT “believe” others are being dishonest…I am merely positing that they may be. And of course, anybody MAY be dishonest.

I do not do believing…and there is nothing ridiculous about that claim.

But nice try, Fresco. You may be coming 'round! Wink
fresco
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 09:15 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
but I can assure you that I am not indolent

Pull the other one O Paragon of Honesty ! Laughing
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 10:01 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

Quote:
but I can assure you that I am not indolent

Pull the other one O Paragon of Honesty ! Laughing



If you need to think that I am indolent in order to make your life more bearable, Fresco...by all means do so.

I assure you that I am anything but!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 04:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not do believing…and there is nothing ridiculous about that claim.


Then what do you call your belief that conservatism is a blight upon the earth?
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 05:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not do believing…and there is nothing ridiculous about that claim.


Then what do you call your belief that conservatism is a blight upon the earth?


That is called begging the question, Finn.

I do not have a "belief" that conservatism is a blight upon the earth...I have an opinion that it is. And it is an opinion I consider right on the button.

Thank you for asking.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 05:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
And how do you differentiate between an opinion and a belief? Roget's Thesaurus doesn't.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 05:15 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

And how do you differentiate between an opinion and a belief? Roget's Thesaurus doesn't.


When I am expressing an opinion...I call it an opinion.

When I am expressing an estimate...I call it an estimate.

When I am expressing a guess...I call it a guess.

When I am expressing an hypothesis...I call it a hypothesis.

I never express any "beliefs"...and I can reasonable say that I do not do any "believing."

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 05:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It's nice for you that you get to cling to your "I don't do beliefs" simply because you don't use the word.

So, if a racist never says he hates blacks he is entilted to say that he doesn't hate blacks?

BELIEF:

1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
•something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

synonyms: opinion, view, conviction, judgment, thinking, way of thinking, idea, impression, theory, conclusion, notion

2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

OPINION:

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

synonyms: belief, judgment, thought(s), (way of) thinking, mind, (point of) view, viewpoint, outlook, attitude, stance, position, perspective, persuasion, standpoint.

What's the difference frank?
anonymously99stwin
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 06:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa. So you're telling us all you do not believe you are wearing what looks to be a red shirt in the picture you have displayed for this site?
anonymously99stwin
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 06:13 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz. You may be arguing with another wall. No, I don't think it will move.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 08:14 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

It's nice for you that you get to cling to your "I don't do beliefs" simply because you don't use the word.

So, if a racist never says he hates blacks he is entilted to say that he doesn't hate blacks?

BELIEF:

1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
•something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

synonyms: opinion, view, conviction, judgment, thinking, way of thinking, idea, impression, theory, conclusion, notion

2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

OPINION:

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

synonyms: belief, judgment, thought(s), (way of) thinking, mind, (point of) view, viewpoint, outlook, attitude, stance, position, perspective, persuasion, standpoint.

What's the difference frank?


Right along I have maintained that when I make an estimate...I call it an estimate. If I have an opinion...I call it an opinion. If I make a guess...I call it a guess.

Some people want to disguise their guesses by using the word "belief" or "believe."

I DON'T.

So I do not do believing.

Believing is fine when talking about "I believe the 49ers are going to go to the Super Bowl...or "I believe Dewars is every bit as good as Chivas."

But when someone says, "I believe there is a GOD" or "I believe there are no gods" or "There is no here...it is all an illusion"...

...they are disguising the fact that they are making a guess.

I don't do that kind of disguise.

I do not do "believing."

If you want to see the difference, Finn...see it.

If you don't want to...don't.

Either way...I do not do "believing."

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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 08:17 pm
@anonymously99stwin,
anonymously99stwin wrote:

Frank Apisa. So you're telling us all you do not believe you are wearing what looks to be a red shirt in the picture you have displayed for this site?


I'm telling you I do not do "believing."

In the picture I have displayed on this site...I thought I had no shirt on at all. If it is a red shirt, however, then it is a red shirt.

I don't do believing about it.
anonymously99stwin
 
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Tue 14 Jan, 2014 09:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
There you go again.

Arguing with a damn wall. Wink
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fresco
 
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Wed 15 Jan, 2014 01:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
If Frank were not so indolent, he might READ that negotiation of the meanings of words is normal, but entirely relative to communicative contexts. His naive realistic mindset (epitomised by his phrase "what IS-IS) is what he seeks to impose within all his communications. Mindsets like his function exactly like the "religion" which he ironically projects onto others because they ultimately rest on absolutes (like "what IS-IS" or "I don't do beliefs"). His self confessed "limited ability"fuels his reticence about reading and prevents him getting a handle on all this. So he has no alternative but to take cover in his self constructed bunker with occasional forays against the world of philosophical inquiry waving his banner emblazoned in naive realistic-ese "you are only guessing!".
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 15 Jan, 2014 07:23 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

If Frank were not so indolent, he might READ that negotiation of the meanings of words is normal, but entirely relative to communicative contexts. His naive realistic mindset (epitomised by his phrase "what IS-IS) is what he seeks to impose within all his communications. Mindsets like his function exactly like the "religion" which he ironically projects onto others because they ultimately rest on absolutes (like "what IS-IS" or "I don't do beliefs"). His self confessed "limited ability"fuels his reticence about reading and prevents him getting a handle on all this. So he has no alternative but to take cover in his self constructed bunker with occasional forays against the world of philosophical inquiry waving his banner emblazoned in naive realistic-ese "you are only guessing!".


Oh, Fresco...you are so brilliant...and all of us who do not subscribe to the tenets of your religion are so dim.

But...no matter how difficult, I guess we have to go on.

Maybe I will wear sunglasses to protect my eyes when reading what you write.
reasoning logic
 
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Wed 15 Jan, 2014 07:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:

Oh, Fresco...you are so brilliant...and all of us who do not subscribe to the tenets of your religion are so dim.


Frank do you think there could be a possibility of Fresco being correct in much of what he shares?
Idea
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 15 Jan, 2014 08:48 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:

Oh, Fresco...you are so brilliant...and all of us who do not subscribe to the tenets of your religion are so dim.


Frank do you think there could be a possibility of Fresco being correct in much of what he shares?
Idea



He may be. I have no problem with his guesses.

My problem with him is that he discounts everything other than his guesses.

His guesses MAY ALSO be totally wrong.
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fresco
 
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Wed 15 Jan, 2014 10:29 pm
@reasoning logic,
RL
Frank has no idea that his the words "right" and "wrong" are part of his mindset which assumes the applicability of the "correspondence theory of truth" to philosophical paradigms. The very idea of "theories of truth" is off the radar for him because the integrity of his evangelical position of would be undermined by it. He cannot understand that " correct" can at best mean "coherent" at the philosophical level.
.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 16 Jan, 2014 07:25 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

RL
Frank has no idea that his the words "right" and "wrong" are part of his mindset which assumes the applicability of the "correspondence theory of truth" to philosophical paradigms. The very idea of "theories of truth" is off the radar for him because the integrity of his evangelical position of would be undermined by it. He cannot understand that " correct" can at best mean "coherent" at the philosophical level.
.


TO REASONING LOGIC:

Frank (moi!) continues to suppose that he does not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence...or just about anything else going on here...and is ethical enough to simply acknowledge that...in sharp contrast to someone like Fresco who pretend that he does know.
 

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