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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

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Jasper10
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:46 am
@NealNealNeal,
So we have to put moral rules in place then...or someone does..unless that is we just see ourselves as a biological nihilistic machine with maybe an amazingly designed quantum (reasoning) computer that just neutralises things (it having no idea of what morality is).The question maybe is ....exactly what do the rules need to be?
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 05:51 am
@NealNealNeal,
NealNealNeal wrote:


Frank,
When Izzy asked his question, the topic was changed. It went from "Does the God of the Bible exist?" to "living the Christian Life".
God has made it abundantly clear that He exists.


NO GOD OF ANY SORT HAS EVER MADE IT "ABUNDANTLY CLEAR" THAT IT EXISTS."

That is a delusion of yours. The reason religious people (including Christians) use the expressions "I BELIEVE" and "I HAVE FAITH" is because no god has ever made its existence "perfectly clear."

You ought really to abandon that assertion. It is absurd.

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I know that He exists.


You do not KNOW anything of the sort, and you apparently do not have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you do not.


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We have discussed this topic for months.


I am hoping you finally get it right...so I am willing to discuss it for months longer if necessary.

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Izzy raised a question dealing with the Sovereignty of God. A Christian needs to trust God as he lives his life.
God bends over backwards in the salvation process. However, He is more and more demanding in the sanctification process. Therefore, some "Christians" bail out.


I am not concerning myself with that kind of nonsense with you, because you cannot even get the predicates of that conversation right.

Ya gotta start at the beginning, Neal.
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 07:53 am
@Jasper10,
Jasper10 wrote:

So we have to put moral rules in place then...or someone does..unless that is we just see ourselves as a biological nihilistic machine with maybe an amazingly designed quantum (reasoning) computer that just neutralises things (it having no idea of what morality is).The question maybe is ....exactly what do the rules need to be?
Jasper,
You are absolutely correct. Without God, the morality of Nazi Germany is just as good as any other society. The deaths of all the people under communism is no big deal. Morality belongs to whoever is most powerful.
As personal morality dies in the U.S. we are approaching "survival of the fittest". Many leaders in the Democrat Party are already supporting a form of anarchy. This is disgusting.
In California, we have a governor that is anti-constitution. He acts like he is King of California. If he was married to Nancy Pelosi they would state "let them eat cake".
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 08:03 am
@NealNealNeal,
NealNealNeal wrote:

Jasper10 wrote:

So we have to put moral rules in place then...or someone does..unless that is we just see ourselves as a biological nihilistic machine with maybe an amazingly designed quantum (reasoning) computer that just neutralises things (it having no idea of what morality is).The question maybe is ....exactly what do the rules need to be?
Jasper,
You are absolutely correct. Without God, the morality of Nazi Germany is just as good as any other society. The deaths of all the people under communism is no big deal. Morality belongs to whoever is most powerful.
As personal morality dies in the U.S. we are approaching "survival of the fittest". Many leaders in the Democrat Party are already supporting a form of anarchy. This is disgusting.
In California, we have a governor that is anti-constitution. He acts like he is King of California. If he was married to Nancy Pelosi they would state "let them eat cake".


In essence, "morality" is what a particular society is willing to allow within that society. The "morality" of Saudi Arabia would not be accepted here in the United States. Neither would the "morality" of Nazi Germany or Aztec Central America of old.

Fact is, the "morality" of the Bible...would not be accepted here in the United States...AND ISN'T.

This nonsense that a god sets morality is just for the deluded, mostly because all you are doing with that concept is to accept the "morality" of people who lived 2000 years ago.

But, the duplicity of the religious prevents them from seeing that truth.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 08:05 am
@Frank Apisa,
The Universal Declaration Of Human Rights is all the morality we need.

Christianity supported slavery and apartheid in South Africa.

It is immoral.
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 08:12 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank,
I know that God exists. I know that Christianity is correct. I know that reality consists of both physical reality and spiritual reality. You are confused about spiritual reality.
Faith is involved in the Christian's life. I trust God as He leads me in my life.
Matthew 7:6 is a verse that I tend to ignore. I now realize why Jesus made such a statement.
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 08:15 am
@izzythepush,
Christians were involved in both England and the U S. to end slavery.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 08:16 am
@NealNealNeal,
Not right wing ones. Not people like you.
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 08:46 am
@izzythepush,
I oppose slavery.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 09:04 am
@NealNealNeal,
You don’t oppose the mass shootings of children in American schools and were you around in the 18th Century I’m sure you’d have been an ardent supporter of slavery.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 09:09 am
@NealNealNeal,
NealNealNeal wrote:

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Frank,
I know that God exists.


You absolutely DO NOT KNOW that a god exists, Neal. You think a god exists; blindly guess that a god exists.

Develop the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you do not KNOW it.

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I know that Christianity is correct.


Bullshit!

You think Christianity is "correct." You blindly guess that Christianity is "correct."

Develop the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you do not KNOW it.


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I know that reality consists of both physical reality and spiritual reality. You are confused about spiritual reality.


You are confusing "knowing" with "blindly guessing."

Stop doing that.


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Faith is involved in the Christian's life. I trust God as He leads me in my life.
Matthew 7:6 is a verse that I tend to ignore. I now realize why Jesus made such a statement.


Yes, you blindly guess that a god exists...that the god is the one described in the Bible...and that you must insist that your blind guess is correct.

I get that. I suspect we all get that...except you.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 09:10 am
@NealNealNeal,
NealNealNeal wrote:

Christians were involved in both England and the U S. to end slavery.


Christians...and the god Jesus worshiped...were also involved in perpetuating slavery...and making it an ethical endeavor.
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chai2
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 11:29 am
Just sayin'

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NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:17 pm
@izzythepush,
Neither statement makes sense. I refuse to be slandered by you.
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:23 pm
@chai2,
God has given us a conscious. However, this conscious can be scarred by our refusal to listen to it.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:30 pm
@NealNealNeal,
Unfortunately he didn’t let you know how to spell conscience.

If you had one you’d try to do something about the children murdered by gun owners like yourself.
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

NealNealNeal wrote:

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Frank,
I know that God exists.


You absolutely DO NOT KNOW that a god exists, Neal. You think a god exists; blindly guess that a god exists.

Develop the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you do not KNOW it.
I know that Good exists. Your demand that I not tell you that is reminiscent of the Spanish Inquisition. ;-)
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I know that Christianity is correct.


Bullshit!

You think Christianity is "correct." You blindly guess that Christianity is "correct."

Develop the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you do not KNOW it.


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I know that reality consists of both physical reality and spiritual reality. You are confused about spiritual reality.


You are confusing "knowing" with "blindly guessing."

Stop doing that.


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Faith is involved in the Christian's life. I trust God as He leads me in my life.
Matthew 7:6 is a verse that I tend to ignore. I now realize why Jesus made such a statement.


Yes, you blindly guess that a god exists...that the god is the one described in the Bible...and that you must insist that your blind guess is correct.

I get that. I suspect we all get that...except you.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:32 pm
@NealNealNeal,
I’ve not slandered you. I’ve pointed out what you are.
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NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:43 pm
@izzythepush,
I apologise for the spelling mistake.
I try to persuade society to teach personal morality. It is liberals that insist that the mentally ill have no responsibilities in life. It is the liberals who insist that nobody is responsible for their actions.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2020 01:50 pm
@NealNealNeal,
You own a gun, that makes you responsible for the innocents murdered every day by legally owned guns.

You are responsible for that, if you had a conscience you would consider a child’s right to life as more important than your pathetic need to have a gun.

And you’re lying, “liberals” as you call them, do not think nobody is responsible for their actions. That’s a lie, and it’s you bearing false witness.

The fact that you can’t spell conscience, says a great deal about your education.

It wasn’t a typo either, you repeated the error.

Jesus was a Socialist, you can’t be right wing and Christian.
 

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