How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

@Jasper10,

You’re accusing me of something just because I’m opposing you. I stuck up for you when Frank told you what you believed, and I’ll be damned if I’ll let you do the same to me.

I have never said what I believe or A2K and for you to say I have is a lie.

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@Jasper10,

Someone can logically not believe in God yet still point out the hypocrisies in various religions. They’re not blaming a creature they don’t believe exists, they’re pointing out reasons to blame him, and they are legion, based on the sorry state of the planet right now.

In my experience religious people are the very worst, cruel, judgemental and hypocritical.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

You say I am lying but you don't explain why you think I am lying...that's odd?

Please explain why you think I am lying ?

You really are a stupid American.

You said I have stated I don’t believe in God. I have never said that.

That means you’re lying, see if you can get a grown up to explain it to you.

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@izzythepush,

I meant "one" when I said "you"...I have apologized for that already...

I don't know whether you believe in God or not? I am merely pointing out that if the God of the bible doesn't exist and has never existed then my logic says no BLAME can be proportioned to him ?

A person can have their "No God" if they wish...but why would anyone bother making any further comments/opinions about a God that they have already decided doesn't exist?

This isn't an attack on you izzythepush.

Thanks for sticking up for me by the way even though you appear to not like me anymore.

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@Jasper10,

You apologised only to repeat the accusation.

Alright I accept your apology now, and I won’t push it any further.

Someone can be an Atheist and still point out things that are morally indefensible in certain religions.

As an English teacher I would argue the rights and wrongs of fictional characters, and I would blame them for certain actions.

You can do this with Jehovah and the slaying of the first born. Killing a load of innocents just because they’re Egyptian is wrong.

It was also wrong for Shakespeare’s Macbeth to murder Duncan. He doesn’t exist either, but scholars have blamed him.

I’m talking about Shakespeare’s Macbeth, not the historical figure, he defeated Duncan on the battlefield.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank,
Since Jasper is a Christian, there is absolutely no reason for him to be terrified of God. He has a wonderful personal relationship with God. Jasper is an adopted child of God.
Please read the first 3 chapters of Ephesians. It deals with the blessings that God has poured on believers.
Perhaps it will help if you read Pilgrims Progress. Or the Chronicles Of Narnia. Both are analogies of the Christian Life.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

I don't know whether you believe in God or not? I am merely pointing out that if the God of the bible doesn't exist and has never existed then my logic says no BLAME can be proportioned to him ?

You have also pointed out on numerous occasions that there is no way to KNOW if the god of the Bible exists or not...but you continue to post theoreticals as though one can KNOW.

The god of the Bible MAY exist or MAY NOT exist (that is true whether the god actually exists or not)...and any blind guesses one has on that issue has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whether or not people "blame" or "laud" it for anything or everything.

I do not know if the god exists or not...and I happen to think that anyone who "blames" or "lauds" the god is a fool, because people doing that also do not know if the god exists...and blaming or lauding a god based on a blind guess seems silly to me.

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A person can have their "No God" if they wish...but why would anyone bother making any further comments/opinions about a God that they have already decided doesn't exist?

Because they feel like it.

Why are you saying a person can only comment on (or have opinions about) the god if they "believe" it exists?

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Frank,
Since Jasper is a Christian, there is absolutely no reason for him to be terrified of God.

If he is a Christian and worships the god Jesus worshiped, he ought to be TERRIFIED of the god, because the god is one of the most barbarous, murderous, vindictive gods ever. The god punishes people who offend it by subjecting them to torture for all of eternity. If that doesn't terrify you, see a psychiatrist, because you need one.

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He has a wonderful personal relationship with God. Jasper is an adopted child of God.

How do you know that people who "have a personal relationship" with that god are not deluding themselves.

(Hard question, so here is a hint: They CANNOT know they are not deluding themselves.)

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Please read the first 3 chapters of Ephesians. It deals with the blessings that God has poured on believers.

Paul was a nut case. I've grown to like him a bit, but he was a nut case. If you want to use him as a source on this issue, you are not being serious.

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Perhaps it will help if you read Pilgrims Progress. Or the Chronicles Of Narnia. Both are analogies of the Christian Life.

Reading Alice in Wonderland will do a better job of providing help on this issue. Reading the Jabberwocky makes as much sense as the Bible.

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@Frank Apisa,

I 'member what the big Guy would do to me because I bit my fingernails in 2nd grade.It was forever punishment for biting my fingernails. Fire and heat and burning. cooking flesh, dogs and cats living together.
I just quit believin in this monster.

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@Frank Apisa,

Lotta scholars conclude that PAul actually created JESUS , who was later promoted to a Christ.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I 'member what the big Guy would do to me because I bit my fingernails in 2nd grade.It was forever punishment for biting my fingernails. Fire and heat and burning. cooking flesh, dogs and cats living together.
I just quit believin in this monster.

Yup.

And then people like Neal and Jasper want us to accept that they do not fear this monster.

Oh, well. I was part of that group at one time also. Glad I grew up. Glad you did also, FM.

I hope Neal and Jasper do at some point, too.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Lotta scholars conclude that PAul actually created JESUS , who was later promoted to a Christ.

Could be.

Paul was a hell of a salesman. Absolutely relentless.

Wouldn't want to be the guy handing over a drivers license to him at a dealership.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, knowing G*d is a transcendental knowing. Being able to "prove" G*d is a personal thing, it requires a personal witnessing. Faith is the essential thing, it requires free will. I can't prove any of it to you, I can't even prove your witness is right or wrong. Your witness is your witness and my witness is mine. Neither of us is right or wrong.

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@farmerman,

My forever punishment for biting my nails is I still want to bite my nails. But at least I stopped biting my toenails by the time I was three.

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@Frank Apisa,

I had real problems with Paul's being lifted into the leadership of the church, what with being his being a serial mass murderer.

But what it showed was that if a despicable sort like Paul could be saved, I could be, too. It took me till I was in my forties to get it.

There are still things about Paul I don't get, like his rants on gayness, something that was so important, Christ never mentioned it.

But Paul also as an ex-Jewish authority who argued that non Jews could be Christian, something a lot of Jewish Christians resisted in the early church.

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@bobsal u1553115,

I’ve been reading an article about the tarantella, a dance sufferers of tarantula bites perform in order to cure themselves. Paul gets a mention, both the original and a later namesake.

He is supposed to have dominion over poisonous snakes, spiders and other nasty wriggles. He made a town in S Italy immune to vipers’ and tarantula’s bites, meaning loads of sufferers would go there for relief.

I’m not making any claims about whether or not it’s true btw.

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@izzythepush,

I won't argue it either way. I may, however have my doubts.

Then again I like Tarantulas who as you know actually are beneficial and are fully able to live around humans and never bite them.

When we were in Mesa, Arizona we had a California Tarantula living in our house. He/she was Hell on Palmetto Roaches and never bit our toddlers. I usually only saw him/her as a blur moving around the dining room table base at night from the living room.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, I am trying to explain to the atheist (?) that it is foolish to state that God doesn't exist and has never existed because he/she can't BLAME him for anything.

All atrocities throughout history are down to man in that case.

They need to think it through a bit more don't you think?

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Frank, I am trying to explain to the atheist (?) that it is foolish to state that God doesn't exist and has never existed because he/she can't BLAME him for anything.

Stop with the descriptors.

Who here has proclaimed that there are no gods...which includes this thing you call "God?"

What has that person said with which you are in disagreement?

What is this "BLAME"nonsense you bring up so often. Name something you want to "blame" on a god...and tell us why you want to "blame" the god for it.

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All atrocities throughout history are down to man in that case.

Sounds correct to me...except for things like asteroids hitting the Earth; tsunamis; earthquakes; volcanic eruptions...which should be chalked up to nature.

Right?

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They need to think it through a bit more don't you think?

Nicely as possible, I think YOU need to think things through a bit more, Jasper.

Honestly, that is what I think.

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@bobsal u1553115,

It’s a very interesting articles with various reports from credible 19th Century witnesses.

I don’t know either but it’s clear certain individuals believed the dancing cured them, if nothing else it helped them deal with the pain.

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