How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

@Frank Apisa,

I am absolutely NOT terrified of the God I HOPE in Frank...You might be...please don’t speak for me...You have no idea what you are talking about...

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@Frank Apisa,

Why is it an absurdity?

The sacrificial god is a concept that predates Christianity by millennia.

Jesus crying out to his father at the end does not mean they’re separate, look at people with multiple personalities.

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@izzythepush,

That's a way I never thought of explaining it.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

I am absolutely NOT terrified of the God I HOPE in Frank...You might be...please don’t speak for me...You have no idea what you are talking about...

I know exactly what I am talking about, Jasper.

And if you are not in terror of that god (you almost certainly ARE, though)...then YOU are insane. Anyone who thinks that god exists...should be in abject terror of it, because the god is a murderous psychopath.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Why is it an absurdity?

If you cannot see it, Izzy, I doubt ANYONE can explain it to you. If someone offends YOU...and the only way you will forgive the offense is to require the offender to torture and kill his/her child...YOU are a psychopath.

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The sacrificial god is a concept that predates Christianity by millennia.

It would not matter if it predated Christianity by millions of years. It still is an absurd concept.

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Jesus crying out to his father at the end does not mean they’re separate, look at people with multiple personalities.

I am not saying Jesus is not part of the Trinity. What is the point you are attempting to make?

If you are saying that the "sacrifice" was made by the god...it still is an absurdity. If someone offends YOU...and the only way you will forgive the offense is to require the offender to torture and kill YOU...YOU are a psychopath.

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@Frank Apisa,

I don’t claim to understand the Universe or the mind of God, most of us aren’t as fortunate as you.

Those who believe in the Trinity believe God sacrificed himself or a part of himself.

I know you don’t believe that, but that doesn’t give you the right to tell others what they believe.

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@Frank Apisa,

By your logic Frank the WW2 pilot who stays in his plane to steer it away from a school instead of bailing out and saving himself is also a psychopath.

You refuse to accept the concept of the sacrificial god, that the person being sacrificed is God, and insist everyone else has your take on it.

If you ask someone what they believe you can’t shut them up half way through and tell them they believe something else.

That’s what you’re doing and it’s a far cry from saying you don’t believe it.

You can believe what you want, but deliberately misrepresenting what others believe is wrong.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank... I’m not terrified at all...why would I be terrified of a God who died for me and was in total agreement with his Father.

You just think you know what you are talking about Frank..that’s all...

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I don’t claim to understand the Universe or the mind of God, most of us aren’t as fortunate as you.

Those who believe in the Trinity believe God sacrificed himself or a part of himself.

I know you don’t believe that, but that doesn’t give you the right to tell others what they believe.

If there was something I wrote that you consider incorrect....mention it and we can talk.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

By your logic Frank the WW2 pilot who stays in his plane to steer it away from a school instead of bailing out and saving himself is also a psychopath.

You refuse to accept the concept of the sacrificial god, that the person being sacrificed is God, and insist everyone else has your take on it.

If you ask someone what they believe you can’t shut them up half way through and tell them they believe something else.

That’s what you’re doing and it’s a far cry from saying you don’t believe it.

You can believe what you want, but deliberately misrepresenting what others believe is wrong.

If there is something I wrote that you disagree with, quote it and we can discuss it.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Frank... I’m not terrified at all...why would I be terrified of a God who died for me and was in total agreement with his Father.

You just think you know what you are talking about Frank..that’s all...

Anyone who supposes the god of the Bible actually exists...

...has to be terrified of it.

Of course, one manifestation of the terror would be denying it...and pretending it is love.

That is what people who were terrified of Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin...did.

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@Frank Apisa,

I have said it. You claim that Jesus and God are two separate and distinct characters, and that if something affects one of them it has no impact on the other.

That’s not what the sacrificial god is all about.

One of the first freedoms people demanded was freedom of conscience, to believe what they want, this predates the right to vote, and it had a lot to do with the English Civil War.

You’re trying to take that right from them by saying what they believe.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank ..stop pretending to know so much about something you clearly have not got a clue about.All your views are noted.You are an agnostic remember...agnostics haven’t a clue about anything one way or the other...They can’t make their mind upon anything...

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@Jasper10,

Frank has open mind. He's evolved over the years. He and I have had our knock downs over "proving" G*d. I see a lot of this current discussion as disagreement over form rather than substance.

I find the disagreement of how the Trinity works very interesting. It puts some life into the early church history of debate over the same issue.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I have said it. You claim that Jesus and God are two separate and distinct characters, and that if something affects one of them it has no impact on the other.

Horseshit.

I have never said anything even resembling that.

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That’s not what the sacrificial god is all about.

Like I said, I never said anything remotely close to that. So start over.

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One of the first freedoms people demanded was freedom of conscience, to believe what they want, this predates the right to vote, and it had a lot to do with the English Civil War.

You’re trying to take that right from them by saying what they believe.

I am not trying to take anything away from anyone. I am expressing my opinions. If you don't like my opinions, stop spending so much time dealing with them.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Frank ..stop pretending to know so much about something you clearly have not got a clue about.All your views are noted.You are an agnostic remember...agnostics haven’t a clue about anything one way or the other...They can’t make their mind upon anything...

If you want to think agnostics can't make their minds up on anything...and don't have a clue about anything...you are out of your mind.

Yeah, I am an agnostic.

Here are some other agnostics:

Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan, Neal deGrasse Tyson.

Someone like you suggesting those men can't make their minds up on anything? Someone like you suggesting those men don't have a clue about anything?

Get your head out of wherever you've got it jammed.

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@Frank Apisa,

Yes you did. You said a god who insists on sacrificing his son is a psychopath, meaning there is no direct link. They are not the same.

Forget about Jesus for a minute. What about Osiris sacrificing himself, does that make him a psychopath?

You are not just expressing your own opinion, you’re also telling people what they should think.

Disagreeing is one thing, deliberately misinterpreting something and then saying your interpretation is someone else believes is a different matter entirely.

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@Frank Apisa,

I’m talking about spiritual matters Frank.If they were agnostics then it applies to them as well.Why wouldn’t it?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Yes you did. You said a god who insists on sacrificing his son is a psychopath, meaning there is no direct link. They are not the same.

Forget about Jesus for a minute. What about Osiris sacrificing himself, does that make him a psychopath?

You are not just expressing your own opinion, you’re also telling people what they should think.

Disagreeing is one thing, deliberately misinterpreting something and then saying your interpretation is someone else believes is a different matter entirely.

Izzy, you seem to be bothered by my opinions about Jasper's opinions.

That's tough. I hope you get over it.

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@Frank Apisa,

I don’t have anything to get over. You appear to have a problem with telling the truth.

If all you’re going to do is misrepresent what is said to you what’s the point?

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