How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

@Jasper10,

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If the Richard Dawkins statement is true...then on what basis would he not want God to exist?

See my answer above to Neal on the subject.

@Leadfoot,

to cast a bug into your stew, "SO FAR" none of that has happened so based on actual historical fact your presenting one of Kipling's "just so tales"

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@NealNealNeal,

Thank you Neal, I enjoyed hearing you story about finding God. Wish more people felt comfortable doing that.

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@farmerman,

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to cast a bug into your stew, "SO FAR" none of that has happened so based on actual historical fact your presenting one of Kipling's "just so tales"

You’re just paying me back for saying that about abiogenesis/evolution.

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@NealNealNeal,

The riches of this world distract us from our walk with God.Jesus told the young man to sell all his possessions and give to the poor and then follow him.This is a very challenging teaching.Christ gave up everything for us.So yes, in answer to your question.....also Matthew 6:21.

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If the so-called Christians of America were actually following the teachings attributed to Jesus...

.,.they would, for the most part, be socialists...although I expect some would be communists.

None would be capitalists as capitalism is practiced in America.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank,
Virtually all of Jesus' teaching dealt with the INDIVIDUAL, not social change. In fact, all of the New Testament except the book of Revelation dealt with the individual and the sum of individuals called Christ"s Church.
Please note that in the book of Acts, even the socialism among believers ran into problems. They had to give up on socialism.
Socialism only works in extremely small groups (e.g. a kabbutz). It fails in larger groups.
According to Adam Smith, capitalism needs the teaching of morality to work properly. For example, when God prospers a person, he should give to the needy who have done their best but face difficult circumstances (e.g. orphans and widows).
However, we have become selfish. So we do a poor job of helping each other.
Jesus' teaching can apply to capitalism, socialism, communism, or even a society where Nero was "lord". His teaching was directed to the individual.

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@Frank Apisa,

By the way "Planned Parenthood" is the worst example of capitalism gone wild. This is followed closely by slavery in Europe and America.
Margaret Sanger had a very low opinion of black people.

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Frank,
Virtually all of Jesus' teaching dealt with the INDIVIDUAL, not social change. In fact, all of the New Testament except the book of Revelation dealt with the individual and the sum of individuals called Christ"s Church.
Please note that in the book of Acts, even the socialism among believers ran into problems. They had to give up on socialism.
Socialism only works in extremely small groups (e.g. a kabbutz). It fails in larger groups.
According to Adam Smith, capitalism needs the teaching of morality to work properly. For example, when God prospers a person, he should give to the needy who have done their best but face difficult circumstances (e.g. orphans and widows).
However, we have become selfish. So we do a poor job of helping each other.
Jesus' teaching can apply to capitalism, socialism, communism, or even a society where Nero was "lord". His teaching was directed to the individual.

As I said, "If the so-called Christians of America were actually following the teachings attributed to Jesus...

.,.they would, for the most part, be socialists...although I expect some would be communists.

None would be capitalists as capitalism is practiced in America."

You are an example of the so-called Christians of America, Neal.

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

By the way "Planned Parenthood" is the worst example of capitalism gone wild. This is followed closely by slavery in Europe and America.
Margaret Sanger had a very low opinion of black people.

Many, perhaps most, so-called American Christians have a very low opinion of the teachings attributed to Jesus.

That kind of **** happens.

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@Frank Apisa,

Actually Abe Lincoln did not have a high opinion of non-white men. After Emancipation he proposed that Former slaves begin their own settlements , preferably outside the US.

and he was a Republican.

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@Leadfoot,

My point is that if someone makes the statement that God doesn't exist and has never existed and then tries to justify why they take that view and make reference to this God either before or after they make the statement then they are not an Atheist at all.

Why?.....because they:

1.DEFINITELY can't PROVE that he exists or not.
2.DEFINITELY know that they don't know whether he exists or not.
3.DEFINITELY need to HOPE that he exists so that they can BLAME him for all the atrocities throughout history

They are FOOLS who are STILL unsure about whether he exists or not.

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Do you care if you kill a bug? Are you a psychopath because of it?
God created you. You did not create the bug
TRUTH: The universe does not revolve around man. God is sovereign, not man.

There's a certain amount of sociopathy involved whereby one compares the killing of a bug with the killing of a human being. Leadfoot's similar analogy is the likening of burning old tires with Yahweh's burning of human beings.

Your truth about God's sovereignty is an unproven assertion

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Who are you referring to here?

I thought we had established that God doesn’t exist?

Do we need to redefine the definition of Atheist?

I'm referring to Yahweh as he is described in the texts of the Tanakh.

Jasper10 wrote:

Every knee shall bow..every tongue confess...

Romans 14:11

M'kay.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank,
Please read John 3:16-18. It explains why Jesus came.o

The person who allows the Holy Spirit to control his life will do quite well in any type of society. Jesus did not oppose the Roman government. If He had, He would have been a Zealot. Instead, Jesus was concerned about the Kingdom of God.

Finally, you are correct that sociology has done studies on "American Christians". It is a very diverse group.

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@InfraBlue,

If humans and ants had a common ancestor (the one cell being) what right do we have to kill an ant? It seems extremely egotistical to me.

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@NealNealNeal,

So then, you don't accept your own analogy?

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@InfraBlue,

How do you know that God is not responsible for all the atrocities throughout history?How do you know that man is? Who told you this?

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Frank,
Please read John 3:16-18. It explains why Jesus came.o

The person who allows the Holy Spirit to control his life will do quite well in any type of society. Jesus did not oppose the Roman government. If He had, He would have been a Zealot. Instead, Jesus was concerned about the Kingdom of God.

Finally, you are correct that sociology has done studies on "American Christians". It is a very diverse group.

John 3:16 is one of the most disgusting passages in any religion that has ever existed.

Essentially, the passage says, "I will forgive your sins...but first you have to torture and kill my son."

Can you not see that as the abomination it is? Can you truly not see that?

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@InfraBlue,

My point is that I would be a radical environmentalist if I believed in the Theory of Evolution. I would probably be a member of PETA.

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