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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:19 am
@Jasper10,
Jasper10 wrote:

Ok Frank...thanks for the debate...


You already thanked me...and said that you were done with the matter.

But here you are again.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 01:37 pm
@Jasper10,
You keep repeating your assertion without explaining it. Hope has nothing to do with the conviction that there are no gods.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 01:43 pm
@InfraBlue,
It only works if one believes in a vengeful god that will punish unbelievers.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 01:45 pm
@izzythepush,
Right. He's arguing from the point of view of his particular conviction. He can't see the forest for the trees.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 01:48 pm
@InfraBlue,
Exactly, and that conviction most probably was inculcated from a very early age.

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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 04:12 pm
@Jasper10,
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The heart of man is wicked Leadfoot. It practices double minded thinking/reasoning.

That is one hell of a confession. I’m glad you can’t speak for all of us.

And not at all incompatible with the Bible quotation I posted. If the shoe fits...
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 04:18 pm
@InfraBlue,
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Why do atheiests have to hope that their belief system is true? What does hope have to do with it?

I think it was Richard Dawkins who said, 'Not only do I not believe God exists, I would not want God to exist.' He has been echoed by other atheists I’ve met. The guy is honest about his bias if nothing else.
knaivete
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:41 pm
@Leadfoot,
There is no need for you to be so apatheist, or is there?

Would it matter?

Would there be any discernible difference?

Wait, if there is no difference then chalk it down as yet another reason.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 02:55 am
@knaivete,
You quote Nihilism…..

Two off reasonings cancelling themselves out.

As we are not our thoughts and reasonings...we just have thoughts and reasonings....that's ok.....

The same applies to...

Is there a God?....Isn't there a God?....

I dunno

I HOPE there is though...….because I need someone to blame.
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NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 04:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Frank,
I am saying that Pascal's Wager should lead someone to look at the claims of Christianity. However, it can't be the only basis for belief in Christianity.
If someone doesn't believe that the spiritual world exists then Pascal's Wager does not work. I will wager 1 billion dollars that the Kings will not win this year's Stanley Cup.
The fundamental truth is that reality involves both physical and spiritual reality. I testify that I have a personal relationship with Jesus. In addition, there is Christian apologetics for the truth of Christianity.
It is up to you to decide for yourself.
NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 04:26 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Frank,
Now for a more difficult lesson:
God will do what brings Him GLORY. His love doesn't negate His holiness, righteousness, wrath at sin, etc. God doesn't care if you and I don't approve of something that He is or does
Again, God does what brings Him glory.
NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 04:35 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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That is fine with Jasper and me. However, God insists on His right to be worshiped. He will receive Glory no matter what humans do.
NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 04:50 pm
@justaguy2,
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You ask good questions.
Read Hebrews chapter 11 for a description of faith. It can not be PROVEN to others. However faith in God is definitely not "blind".
Perhaps Christians like me suffer from "spiritual OCD". We don't want people to go to hell. So, perhaps we nag too much.
NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 08:34 pm
@Leadfoot,
You are correct about Dawkins quote.
People don't like the God of the Bible. That is why they say they don't believe in Him
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 08:41 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
Why do atheiests have to hope that their belief system is true? What does hope have to do with it?

I think it was Richard Dawkins who said, 'Not only do I not believe God exists, I would not want God to exist.' He has been echoed by other atheists I’ve met. The guy is honest about his bias if nothing else.

That sounds as if he had Yahweh particularly in mind, and not a proposed, general god.
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NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 08:58 pm
@NealNealNeal,
To conclude:
The question here is whether the universe is God-centered or human-centered.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2020 10:41 pm
@NealNealNeal,
false dichotomy. gthr universe is neither. It simply IS.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2020 12:13 am
@MontereyJack,
In the bible God refers to himself as “I AM”...
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2020 12:41 am
@Jasper10,
So then, there isn’t a God ...so God is off the hook...

As there isn’t a God, all the evil atrocities that have happened throughout history are solely down to man then.

That’s quite a confession from man.

It’s about time though.



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Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2020 12:41 am
@Jasper10,
Surely we need someone to blame?



 

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